Gamer (allies +11) vs. Bold - game 2 of 2

[gamerman01]

Actually doesn’t matter if you’re attacking the subs or not.

Moving the carriers and destroyers away from 6 or 35 is illegal unless they are going to conduct combat.

Apparently you never understood the ramifications and details of this rule??  Anyway, this move is very illegal.

[boldfresh]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 32 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to New Guinea
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

[gamerman01]

Ah, a legal move - very good

No scrambling from Midway

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 32 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to New Guinea
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - Japanese
            Japanese creates battle in territory 35 Sea Zone
            Battle in New Guinea
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Kiangsi
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in Amur
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Kiangsi from Chinese, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific, taking Amur from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 32 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            1 artillery moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            2 fighters moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Philippines
            1 fighter moved from 32 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 bomber moved from Amur to Jehol
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Kwangsi
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
            2 armour and 2 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 35 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
            Japanese collect 46 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 46 PUs total

[boldfresh]

EDIT referred to in fb chat.  if you will allow.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

OK, as discussed, we will play this game by the rulebook, official FAQ, and errata - for consistency.

This means the loophole is not closed - You can move ships away from a hostile zone to avoid combat in the combat movement phase, but you cannot move ships away from a non-hostile zone (subs/transports) during the combat movement phase unless those ships are going to participate in combat or anticipate a scramble elsewhere.  Again, playing by the rulebook, official FAQ and errata as written, not as “intended”.

An apology may be appropriate.  We discussed it on facebook 5/31 and you asked that I post it to the thread.  This here is the very clear post to the thread.  I even explained it.

Said it twice.  We will play this game by the rulebook, official FAQ, and errata - for consistency.

[boldfresh]

approaching 72 hours where there will be a bump (bumping is apparently my only hope of winning)  :evil:

:-P

[gamerman01]

It is your only hope of winning, and I am moving right now.  USA will be posted very soon  :-) :-)

[gamerman01]

You can look at your dice e-mail

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 35 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Queensland to 49 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Midway to 25 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Morocco
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Americans attack with 4 fighters and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Americans win, taking Morocco from Germans, taking Gibraltar from Italians, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Italians with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Italians: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                Americans win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 3 transports
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                Casualties for Germans: 3 transports
            Battle in 49 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 bomber moved from 49 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from 49 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 submarine moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 89 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 90 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to United Kingdom
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States
            1 destroyer moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 fighters placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

[boldfresh]

dang!!

[boldfresh]

same mistake again - bombers in london hitting 97 - so dumb.

[boldfresh]

why on earth were my german transports even in 97?

[boldfresh]

on the other hand, i guess a trade of a bomber for 3 useless german transports isn’t all that bad.

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan
                  Chinese take Szechwan from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Burma
            1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Sikang

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs total

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

same mistake again - bombers in london hitting 97 - so dumb.

Bomber in Scotland!

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

on the other hand, i guess a trade of a bomber for 3 useless german transports isn’t all that bad.

Not useless, or I wouldn’t have hit them.  I know I had second thoughts about it, but it’s the right thing to do.  I’m glad it wasn’t too costly for you since it was an oversight

[boldfresh]

yeah, not worried about it.  play on.

[boldfresh]

they served their purpose.  makes it easier not to have to worry about defending them now… lol

[gamerman01]

Worth the valuable reminder of that attack route, for the future
I know I learned that one from another player very early on, when the map first came out