Gamer (allies +11) vs. Bold - game 2 of 2

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TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 3 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 34 Sea Zone to Paulau Island
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to New Guinea
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 32 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to Paulau Island

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@Gamerman01:

Reminder (so that you don’t have to redo your turn) that we are playing by the rulebook.

This means you cannot move ships away from the zones that contain USA subs just to avoid combat, during the combat movement phase - they must be conducting combat elsewhere to move in the combat movement phase.  I trust they will serve to limit your options considerably or do major convoy damage  :evil:

thanks, but unnecessary - scramble in midway?

[gamerman01]

Oh really?  Unnecessary?  Your move is illegal.  You can’t move destroyers to New Guinea or to Paulau.  Try again

[gamerman01]

Unless you are not attacking the subs, but it appears that you are.  Please clarify or fix your move

[gamerman01]

Actually doesn’t matter if you’re attacking the subs or not.

Moving the carriers and destroyers away from 6 or 35 is illegal unless they are going to conduct combat.

Apparently you never understood the ramifications and details of this rule??  Anyway, this move is very illegal.

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TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 32 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to New Guinea
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

[gamerman01]

Ah, a legal move - very good

No scrambling from Midway

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TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 1 carrier, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to 32 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to New Guinea
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Korea to Amur
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Amur
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 6 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - Japanese
            Japanese creates battle in territory 35 Sea Zone
            Battle in New Guinea
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Battle in Borneo
            Battle in Kiangsi
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in Amur
                Japanese attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific, taking Kiangsi from Chinese, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific, taking Amur from Russians with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 6 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win with 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 32 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 artillery
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from Neutral with 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 36 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from French Indo China to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            1 artillery moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
            2 fighters moved from 37 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 37 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Philippines
            1 fighter moved from 32 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Philippines
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 bomber moved from Amur to Jehol
            1 fighter moved from Caroline Islands to Kwangsi
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 carrier and 1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
            2 armour and 2 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 35 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2
            Japanese collect 46 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 46 PUs total

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EDIT referred to in fb chat.  if you will allow.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

OK, as discussed, we will play this game by the rulebook, official FAQ, and errata - for consistency.

This means the loophole is not closed - You can move ships away from a hostile zone to avoid combat in the combat movement phase, but you cannot move ships away from a non-hostile zone (subs/transports) during the combat movement phase unless those ships are going to participate in combat or anticipate a scramble elsewhere.  Again, playing by the rulebook, official FAQ and errata as written, not as “intended”.

An apology may be appropriate.  We discussed it on facebook 5/31 and you asked that I post it to the thread.  This here is the very clear post to the thread.  I even explained it.

Said it twice.  We will play this game by the rulebook, official FAQ, and errata - for consistency.

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approaching 72 hours where there will be a bump (bumping is apparently my only hope of winning)  :evil:

:-P

[gamerman01]

It is your only hope of winning, and I am moving right now.  USA will be posted very soon  :-) :-)

[gamerman01]

You can look at your dice e-mail

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 35 Sea Zone from Japanese
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Queensland to 49 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 49 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Midway to 25 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 bomber moved from Scotland to 97 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 cruiser moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Morocco
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Americans attack with 4 fighters and 2 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Americans win, taking Morocco from Germans, taking Gibraltar from Italians, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Italians with 4 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Italians: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                Americans win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 3 transports
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
                Casualties for Germans: 3 transports
            Battle in 49 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 artillery moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 bomber moved from 49 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from 49 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 submarine moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to 89 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 90 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 bomber moved from Western United States to United Kingdom
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 103 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 104 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States
            1 destroyer moved from 103 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 fighters placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

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dang!!

[boldfresh]

same mistake again - bombers in london hitting 97 - so dumb.

[boldfresh]

why on earth were my german transports even in 97?

[boldfresh]

on the other hand, i guess a trade of a bomber for 3 useless german transports isn’t all that bad.

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Sikang to Szechwan
                  Chinese take Szechwan from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Tsinghai to Burma
            1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Sikang

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Sikang

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 5 PUs total

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

same mistake again - bombers in london hitting 97 - so dumb.

Bomber in Scotland!