13P G40 MagicQ (Axis) vs JDOW (Allies +12) dice nt

[MagicQ]

Formal SZ 42 convoy dice

:dice 2@3:

[MagicQ]

Failed lol

[MagicQ]

formal convoy dice

Rolls: 2@3; Total Hits: 22@3: (3, 3)

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 destroyer, 1 factory_minor, 8 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Kiangsu to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Korea
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsi to Korea
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Kweichow to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            1 armour moved from Shensi to Szechwan
                  Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
            3 infantry moved from Hopei to Suiyuyan
                  Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma
                  Japanese take Burma from UK_Pacific
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 44 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
            1 cruiser moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to 42 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsi to 42 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in 42 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific, taking 42 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 submarine
            Battle in Dutch New Guinea
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Dutch New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                Japanese win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Korea
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Korea from Russians with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Dutch New Guinea to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to Shan State
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
            2 artilleries moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            4 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            1 artillery moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kwangsi
            2 submarines moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to French Indo China
            1 fighter moved from Korea to Japan
            1 bomber moved from Korea to Japan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Anhwe
            1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            1 destroyer placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 factory_minor placed in French Indo China
            3 infantry placed in Kiangsu
            5 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 60 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 42 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from French Indo China: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 36 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 45 Sea Zone: 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 55 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Japanese from 65 to 62
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Japanese from 62 to 61
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[JDOW]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

[JDOW]

The sub in sz42 was actually Australian, I switched it back.

[JDOW]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to 42 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to 55 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from Germans with 1 bomber, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 mech_infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
                  Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Central United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            2 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States
            1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 16 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            2 fighters placed in Eastern United States
            2 infantry placed in Central United States
            1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 54 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

[JDOW]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter and 13 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai
            2 infantry moved from Kansu to Tsinghai

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 7 PUs total

[JDOW]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - British
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to 80 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 battleship moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to British Somaliland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
                  British take Ethiopia from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Kenya
                  British take Kenya from Italians
            1 fighter moved from India to 41 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 fighter, 15 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 125 Sea Zone

[JDOW]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Gibraltar: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 91 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            British buy 1 airfield, 1 armour and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Alexandria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to 80 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 battleship moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to British Somaliland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia
                  British take Ethiopia from Italians
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Kenya
                  British take Kenya from Italians
            1 fighter moved from India to 41 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 fighter, 15 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Burma
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 125 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                British win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Algeria
            Battle in Alexandria
                British attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Algeria from Italians with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                British win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
            Battle in Burma
                British attack with 1 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 fighter, 15 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                British win, taking Burma from Japanese with 1 armour, 7 artilleries, 1 fighter, 14 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in British Somaliland
                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from British Somaliland to Egypt
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to India
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India
            1 fighter moved from Burma to India
            3 aaGuns moved from India to Burma
            1 fighter moved from 125 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from 110 Sea Zone to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 aaGun moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 airfield placed in Gibraltar
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
            1 armour placed in Union of South Africa

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys

[JDOW]

away till Monday now. good night!

[MagicQ]

@JDOW:

@MagicQ:

I can only explain in this way. This seazone is gonna be hostile this turn so the rest of the fleets can move out to avoid combat. Does that make sense?

If the rule is not so, I will be really surprised.

Cheers

A sub does not make a seazone hostile. Europe 2nd Edition page 8

Friendly sea zones contain no surface warships (this doesn�t include
submarines and transports) belonging to a power with which you are at war. Hostile sea zones contain surface warships
belonging to a power with which you are at war.

Page 13:

Sea units moving into a sea zone containing only enemy
submarines and/or transports in order to attack those
units. (Remember that such a sea zone is not considered
hostile.)

page 14:

If you are sharing a sea zone with surface warships (not
submarines and/or transports) belonging to a power with
which you are at war, this situation requires you to do one
of the following:
� Remain in the sea zone and conduct combat,
� Leave the sea zone, load units if desired, and conduct
combat elsewhere,
� Leave the sea zone, load units, and return to the same
sea zone to conduct combat (you can�t load units while
in a hostile sea zone), or
� Leave the sea zone and conduct no combat.

I know this situation quite well because it occured in previous games of mine and I asked gamerman about it and he confirmed that subs do not make a seazone hostile.

Could you show me your previous games in which this situation occurred please?

[JDOW]

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=32415.420

I moved a sub to Philippines US4 and my opponent waived to attack and got the convoy damage to avoid the fleet being stuck there.

Man, I am afraid this “trick” is now used against me in our game;)

[MagicQ]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
                  Italians take Bryansk from Russians
            1 armour moved from Belarus to Smolensk
                  Italians take Smolensk from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Algeria

[MagicQ]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
                  Italians take Bryansk from Russians
            1 armour moved from Belarus to Smolensk
                  Italians take Smolensk from Russians
            1 artillery moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Holland Belgium
            2 fighters moved from 95 Sea Zone to Algeria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Libya to Algeria

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Italians attack with 1 artillery and 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 1 artillery and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Algeria
                Italians attack with 2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
                British defend with 1 infantry
                retreated to Algeria
                British win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Italians: 1 mech_infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 fighters moved from Algeria to 95 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 95 Sea Zone to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Southern Italy
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Smolensk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 95 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 19 PUs; end with 20 PUs total

[MagicQ]

Hiya

I get response form official ruler in terms of that sub thing in sz 42. He said that is a loophole. I think we should play in the right way and edit it back. You will still get your sub but not in sz 42, I will get convoy ipc back and do a little non combat edit. How does that sound?

[JDOW]

Hey there,

I am sorry but I disagree. Could you quote what he said and who he was? I played this move in several games and it was played against me.
It is clearly within the rules in written and confirmed by gamerman who is the official rule deputy in this forum.

In my personal opinion is: It does not look like a loop hole to me as the special role of subs is clearly described and reminded several times in the rule book. To me it sounds that it was clearly Larry’s intention to give subs that option - although I accept if someone said he finds this a bid odd.
If the official rules would be changed, I would of course follow this change, I believe that this must happen first.

So I would like to continue with the latest map and no change in any rules. Please believe me that this is just what I am convinced is the best thing do to with absolutely no intention to get specific advantages in our game - this “thing” was also used against me by the Axis, so it is clearly not an “Allies-only advantage” or so.

Cheers,
Tobias

[MagicQ]

Get a response from Krieghund

here is the link
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28562.0

not yet received any response after that from gamerman.

Pls wait a little while to continue our game.  I think he will give his opinion very soon.

[JDOW]

Sure, I’ll wait!

[MagicQ]

Hi JDOW

Official ruler recommends us to play in the way I proposed.  Gamerman says we have to obey current official rule unless you agree to change. So it’s up to you now. If you don’t want any change, do carry on.