G40L Infrastructure vs Boldfresh(Allies+12)

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United Kingdom: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Scotland: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from United Kingdom: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Scotland: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Scotland: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United Kingdom: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            British buy 2 destroyers and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from India to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
                  British take Tunisia from Italians
            1 armour moved from Greece to Iraq
                  British take Turkey from Germans
            3 fighters moved from Greece to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Iraq
            2 fighters moved from Tobruk to Albania
            1 fighter moved from Greece to Albania
            2 bombers moved from Greece to 112 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to West India

Combat - British
            Battle in Albania
                British attack with 3 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 infantry
                British win with 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Battle in Iraq
                British attack with 1 armour and 4 fighters
                Germans defend with 1 armour
                British win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                Casualties for British: 1 armour
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                British attack with 2 bombers
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer, 4 submarines and 2 transports
                4 submarines owned by the Germans Submerged
                British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer and 2 transports
                Casualties for British: 1 bomber
            Battle in West India
                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                British win, taking West India from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            1 fighter moved from West India to India
            2 aaGuns and 5 infantry moved from Burma to India
            4 fighters moved from Iraq to Greece
            3 fighters moved from Albania to Greece
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
            4 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            3 aaGuns moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 109 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Scotland

Place Units - British
            2 destroyers and 1 fighter placed in 109 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4
            British collect 31 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 31 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 artilleries placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 artilleries

[boldfresh]

another round with nothing for you to complain about - so more fun for me!  :-)

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            9 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Rostov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy
            1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,3,5,4
            Italians collect 16 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 11

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 fighter moved from Morocco to 104 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to Scotland

Turn Complete - French

[Major Major]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 12

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 2 damage on 1 airfield; Remaining resources: 95 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 2 factory_minors, 2 fighters, 10 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Turkey
                  Germans take Turkey from British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
            4 bombers moved from Bryansk to West India
            1 bomber moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Samara
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 12

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 2 damage on 1 airfield; Remaining resources: 95 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 2 factory_minors, 2 fighters, 10 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Turkey
                  Germans take Turkey from British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
            4 bombers moved from Bryansk to West India
            1 bomber moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Samara
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt

Combat - Germans
            Strategic bombing raid in Egypt
                    AA fire in Egypt :  0/1 hits
                Bombing raid in Egypt rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Egypt causes 3 damage total.
            Battle in West India
                Germans attack with 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in West India, round 2 :  6/8 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in West India, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in West India
                Germans win with 5 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Samara
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Samara, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara
                Germans win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 armour moved from Persia to Saudi Arabia
                  Germans take Saudi Arabia from Neutral_True
            1 armour moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 fighter moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from West India to Bryansk
            4 bombers moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 armour moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Persia
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Samara to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Persia
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
            3 infantry moved from Portugal to Spain
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
            3 fighters moved from Western Germany to Spain
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            5 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland

Place Units - Germans
            1 factory_minor placed in Persia
            1 factory_minor placed in Spain
            1 aaGun and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            Germans undo move 3.
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 6 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Spain: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry placed in France

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,5,1
            Germans collect 72 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 72 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 83 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 98 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from France: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern France: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[boldfresh]

Infrastructure - i’m afraid you committed an act that is contrary to the clearly defined rules.  The convoy dice occur after noncombat move is completed, and you made an edit after the convoy dice were rolled.  Please adjust the map back to where your men were when the convoy roll occurred.

Cheers

[boldfresh]

If you have any issue with the rule we can get a moderator ruling.

[Major Major]

Strange as there has been precendence this game to the contrary.  We could look at uk10 as a recent example?  Has something occurred to predicate a change of previously accepted behavior?

[boldfresh]

@Infrastructure:

Strange as there has been precendence this game to the contrary.  We could look at uk10 as a recent example?  Has something occurred to predicate a change of previously accepted behavior?

Uk1 is an example of me drawing your attention to a noncom change I wanted to make after convoy dice were rolled.  You had every right to refuse to allow it.

[boldfresh]

Uk10.  Again, I drew your attention to it and requested the change.  You accepted.  Had you refused you would have been well within your rights.

[boldfresh]

I was lucky to even see the change as I often do not review moves in detail.  I often just download the map and play my turn.  At the very least, please see that you must draw the other players attention to the fact you are requesting an edit.  In this case had you requested, I would have denied your request.

I have contacted Cmdr Jenn to adjudicate the situation if you refuse to adjust the map back to where it was when the dice were rolled.  This is certainly not how I would handle every situation like this (in fact I have rarely ever invoked this right), but with you specifically for many reasons, this is how I will proceed.

Cheers

[boldfresh]

@Infrastructure:

Strange as there has been precendence this game to the contrary.  We could look at uk10 as a recent example?  Has something occurred to predicate a change of previously accepted behavior?

Infrastructure -

Because you accepted a noncombat edit once does not mean you will always accept noncom edits.  Nor does it mean your opponent will allow them without exception.  Certainly not without clearly stating your wishes.  I do not wish to make a big deal out of it, I just want you to follow the rules.  If you felt the acceptance of my edit meant that for the rest of the game neither you nor I would have to request to make a noncom edit you were simply mistaken.

Respectfully -

Bold

[boldfresh]

To be clear, I will not allow the edit in this case - you placed your buy, rolled for convoy damage, and collected income, all before making the noncom edits.  Cmdr Jenn will log on soon hopefully, to make the ruling if you do not agree.

Cheers

[Major Major]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 12

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 2 damage on 1 airfield; Remaining resources: 95 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries, 2 factory_minors, 2 fighters, 10 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Turkey
                  Germans take Turkey from British
            1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Trans-Jordan
                  Germans take Trans-Jordan from British
            4 bombers moved from Bryansk to West India
            1 bomber moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Persia to West India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Samara
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Bryansk to Samara
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Egypt

Combat - Germans
            Strategic bombing raid in Egypt
                    AA fire in Egypt :  0/1 hits
                Bombing raid in Egypt rolls: 3 and causes: 3 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in Egypt causes 3 damage total.
            Battle in West India
                Germans attack with 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 5 bombers, 1 fighter and 2 infantry in West India, round 2 :  6/8 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in West India, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British, 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in West India
                Germans win with 5 bombers and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Samara
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Samara, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Samara, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Samara
                Germans win with 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 armour moved from Persia to Saudi Arabia
                  Germans take Saudi Arabia from Neutral_True
            1 armour moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 fighter moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from West India to Bryansk
            4 bombers moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 armour moved from Persia to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Persia
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Samara to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            2 fighters moved from Bryansk to Persia
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Bessarabia to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 fighter moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Spain
            3 infantry moved from Portugal to Spain
            1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Albania
            3 fighters moved from Western Germany to Spain
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            5 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland

Place Units - Germans
            1 factory_minor placed in Persia
            1 factory_minor placed in Spain
            1 aaGun and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            Germans undo move 3.
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 6 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Spain: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Western Germany: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry placed in France

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,5,1
            Germans collect 72 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 72 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 83 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 98 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from France: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Southern France: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Germany: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Yugoslavia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Yugoslavia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Northern Italy: 5 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Germany: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to France: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[Major Major]

for the record.  I assure you that the convoy rolls had no effect on my edit.  ANd I ask that you allow the edit as I allowed you to do over 4 times this game.

[Major Major]

please allow edit from my german posting done on may4th.

[boldfresh]

Request politely declined.

[boldfresh]

Any edits allowed by either one of us in this game do not amount to a hill of beans when compared to this one.  Once again, just because we may have both allowed various edits to occur throughout the course of this game does not mean every edit will be allowed.  When an edit is requested after noncom phase is clearly over are at the discretion of the player to allow in every case unless there was a clearly defined agreement - which in our case there was not.

[boldfresh]

You know, if it was any player but you I would allow the edit.  However, you have zero good will stored up with me - perhaps you can imagine why.  I can think of at least 3 or 4 times that you have been rude and/or talking crap about me in other threads.  Mainly I am not interested in letting you off the hook here because I am 100% certain you would not let me off the hook if the roles were reversed.

You were winning this game overwhelmingly.  I set a trap, and to do so, I gave up a lot of other things I could have been doing.  However, I determined that the best chance to beat you was to set up for this particular move.  You fell into the trap by leaving Berlin undefended during noncombat, then you did not place any units in Berlin during your build.  Then you rolled convoy dice and collected income.  The convoy dice may not have affected your decision to add units to Berlin, but the fact of the matter is, this is a phase based game per the rulebook and you left the noncombat phase then tried to come back to it.  And when you did, you made the edit without mentioning it - I have strong reason to believe it was in an attempt to be undetected, which it nearly was.

It is my right to deny your noncombat edit request and I have chosen to do so.  I got sloppy in this game and you capitalized - just one example - you killed a large fleet left in z98 with no losses.  I proceeded knowing that I then had to catch you in a moment of sloppiness and when that moment has now occurred, you are asking that I concede the game to you by allowing you to re-enter a phase of your turn that you clearly left.

Now, you still have a chance (small I grant you - but I have had similar failures) of holding Berlin.  In addition, once you retake Berlin, you still have a strong opportunity to make this a game because of how large your advantage was prior to this mistake.

Once again, I request that you revise the map to where it was when you entered the collect income phase so the match can continue.  If you hold Berlin then you can win fair and square.  If Berlin falls, they you still have a good chance of winning fair and square.  This game has all the makings of a classic.  You saw my chance to take Berlin, but you just saw it too late.  That’s the way these games work - there is a point when by the rulebook you cannot go back without the agreement of your opponent and you moved past that point.

Cheers