Gamerman's G40 Laegue House Rules Playtest Shin Ji (Axis) vs Nozdormu (Allies)

[gamerman01]

I’m done updating the document, so you can review it whenever you want.

Whenever you are going to start game 2, please be sure to review the yellow highlighted items.  Everything else is the same.  Don’t hesitate to let me know if you have concerns.  I’m very happy you guys are planning to play another game, with tweaks.

[Shin-Ji]

One minor change that you might consider - Perhaps Korea could be a VC rather than Manchuria?  It’s generally traded with the Allies more often, so it would be more interesting.

[Guest]

@Shin:

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

Thanks?

I’ll take the win.� Do you want to switch sides under the same rules - to get more data?

No the rules we played under are flawed and need to be reviewed. Gamerman made notes and these notes need to be implemented before we start a new game. Also if you are going to take a win, then we continue playing. Bring up Japan. I will tear you to shreds.

Fine with me. �I just can’t tell the intent of what you’re writing sometimes. �And the reason I suggested to play by the same rules was for the fairness aspect, since the current rules appear to disadvantage the Allies.

So let me get this straight. You admit the allies are at a disadvantage during the current rules (which is true afaik and which is why I wanted to start a new game under updated rules), but you still wanted to claim a win :P? It is like testing for the formula 1, ending first and then saying won the championship.

[Shin-Ji]

Also, this allows Japan to win the game without going more than one space away from Mainland Asia, which seems wrong.  Maybe take out Sumatra as a VC and add NZ, as Noz mentioned before?

[Guest]

@Shin:

One minor change that you might consider - Perhaps Korea could be a VC rather than Manchuria?� It’s generally traded with the Allies more often, so it would be more interesting.

Korea is easier to defend tho if Japan really wants to hold out near the main island, then it is really easy to defend.

[Guest]

@Shin:

Also, this allows Japan to win the game without going more than one space away from Mainland Asia, which seems wrong.  Maybe take out Sumatra as a VC and add NZ, as Noz mentioned before?

NZ is a better VC t.b.h.

[Shin-Ji]

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

Thanks?

I’ll take the win.� Do you want to switch sides under the same rules - to get more data?

No the rules we played under are flawed and need to be reviewed. Gamerman made notes and these notes need to be implemented before we start a new game. Also if you are going to take a win, then we continue playing. Bring up Japan. I will tear you to shreds.

Fine with me. �I just can’t tell the intent of what you’re writing sometimes. �And the reason I suggested to play by the same rules was for the fairness aspect, since the current rules appear to disadvantage the Allies.

So let me get this straight. You admit the allies are at a disadvantage during the current rules (which is true afaik and which is why I wanted to start a new game under updated rules), but you still wanted to claim a win :P? It is like testing for the formula 1, ending first and then saying won the championship.

It’s still a game, isn’t it? �What are we playing for, if not to win? �The fact that I won playing the Axis is perhaps an indication that the Axis is too strong here, I’ll admit. �Saying I won the game does not mean I’m saying I’m a better player - Hell, I freely admit you’re better than me - it just means that I will, after Germany’s next turn, hold 8 VCs in the European side of the board, and thus win this game.

And all that means is “Hey, Shin Ji won that game and it seemed a bit cheesy/odd. �Let’s review the rules and go again.”

[Shin-Ji]

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

One minor change that you might consider - Perhaps Korea could be a VC rather than Manchuria?� It’s generally traded with the Allies more often, so it would be more interesting.

Korea is easier to defend tho if Japan really wants to hold out near the main island, then it is really easy to defend.

Hrm.  Good point.

[Guest]

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[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 33

Politics - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Trans-Jordan: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Trans-Jordan: 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Italians from 2 to 1
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            4 fighters moved from Southern France to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

[Shin-Ji]

I’ll need an OOL for my Italian suicide strafing run.

[Guest]

@Shin:

I’ll need an OOL for my Italian suicide strafing run.

How many hits 0, 1 or 2?

[Shin-Ji]

Sigh.  0.  ANd you shot down two with your AA.

[Shin-Ji]

1 hit on the second round.  Man, what a waste.  :lol:

[Guest]

@Shin:

1 hit on the second round.  Man, what a waste.  :lol:

Well go for 1 infantry. I need to save my AA for your German airforce. They need more targets.

[Guest]

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

1 hit on the second round.  Man, what a waste.  :lol:

Well go for 1 infantry. I need to save my AA for your German airforce. They need more targets.

Kinda wondering what the maximum amount of kills is with AA. 3-4?

[Shin-Ji]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 33

Politics - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Trans-Jordan: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 3 aaGuns
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Trans-Jordan: 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 artillery and 5 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber and 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Italians from 2 to 1
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            4 fighters moved from Southern France to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to United Kingdom
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

Combat - Italians
            Battle in United Kingdom
                Italians attack with 2 bombers and 4 fighters
                British defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 8 infantry
                British win with 2 aaGuns, 1 fighter and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -61
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 2 bombers and 4 fighters

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 aaGuns, 4 armour, 5 artilleries, 20 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6
            Italians collect 18 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 19 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 24 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Italians from 24 to 23
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

[Guest]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 34

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 5 infantry, 7 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 1 to 0
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Spain to Southern France
            16 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers moved from Spain to Southern France
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                  Americans take Yenisey from Germans
            3 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
            3 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 infantry moved from Chahar to Suiyuyan
                  Chinese take Suiyuyan from Japanese
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Britain
            1 infantry moved from Formosa to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in Iraq
            Battle in Persia
            Battle in Ethiopia
            Battle in Iwo Jima
            Battle in New Britain
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 submarine
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians win, taking Iraq from Japanese, taking Persia from Japanese, taking Ethiopia from Italians, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese, taking New Britain from Japanese with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Southern France
                Americans attack with 16 fighters, 1 infantry and 7 tactical_bombers
                Italians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    Americans roll dice for 16 fighters, 1 infantry and 7 tactical_bombers in Southern France, round 2 :  13/24 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                Americans win, taking Southern France from Italians with 16 fighters, 1 infantry and 7 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Sakha
                Americans attack with 6 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour
                    Americans roll dice for 6 infantry in Sakha, round 2 :  0/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Sakha, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Sakha
                    Americans roll dice for 5 infantry in Sakha, round 3 :  1/5 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour in Sakha, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 armour owned by the Germans lost in Sakha
                Americans win, taking Sakha from Germans with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
            3 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            3 infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Shan State to Yunnan
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            4 carriers, 6 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            4 submarines moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 79 Sea Zone to 77 Sea Zone
            3 destroyers and 3 submarines moved from 79 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            16 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers moved from Southern France to United Kingdom
            6 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            6 submarines moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 123 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            3 infantry placed in Malaya
            1 factory_minor placed in Kwangtung
            3 submarines placed in 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Korea
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Manchuria: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Korea: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Eastern United States
            3 submarines placed in 104 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 102 PUs; end with 102 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 107 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 112 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 117 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 127 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Iwo Jima : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 flag
    Formosa : 1 flag
    Korea : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Siam : 1 flag
    Hainan : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Yunnan : 9 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Suiyuyan : 1 infantry
    Shan State : 1 flag, 3 infantry
    Burma : 1 flag
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Borneo : 1 flag
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    New Britain : 1 flag, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Philippines : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Guam : 1 airfield
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour
    Hawaiian Islands : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Midway : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    Sakha : 1 flag, 5 infantry
    Yenisey : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Yakut S.S.R. : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Buryatia : 1 flag
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor
    Celebes : 1 flag
    Java : 1 flag
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag
    Sumatra : 1 flag
    47 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    37 Sea Zone : 2 submarines
    36 Sea Zone : 3 submarines
    35 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    39 Sea Zone : 3 destroyers and 3 submarines
    20 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    19 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    17 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    6 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 3 submarines
    Central United States : 1 factory_major
    Central America : 1 harbour
    Eastern United States : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    West India : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 16 fighters and 7 tactical_bombers
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Ethiopia : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Portugal : 1 flag
    125 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    80 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 2 transports
    76 Sea Zone : 2 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport
    104 Sea Zone : 9 submarines
    89 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    93 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Iraq : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 1 factory_minor
    101 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    81 Sea Zone : 2 submarines
    79 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    77 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 6 fighters, 8 submarines and 2 tactical_bombers
    Brazil : 1 flag
    Persia : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Spain : 1 flag, 4 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 4 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 11 infantry
    110 Sea Zone : 7 submarines

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 72 / 94
    Russians : 5 / 0
    Japanese : 29 / 40
    Americans : 102 / 127
    Chinese : 18 / 19
    British : 20 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 10 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 23
    ANZAC : 0 / 0
    French : 0 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 1200
    Neutral_Axis : 6 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 6 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 4 times
            2 was rolled 11 times
            3 was rolled 9 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 10 times
            6 was rolled 6 times
        Average roll : 3,543
        Median : 3,000
        Variance : 0,889
        Standard Deviation : 0,943
        Total rolls : 46

Null / Other
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,250
        Median : 2,500
        Variance : 2,000
        Standard Deviation : 1,414
        Total rolls : 4

Germans Combat
            2 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,500
        Median : 3,500
        Variance : 2,000
        Standard Deviation : 1,414
        Total rolls : 2

Italians Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,000
        Median : 3,000
        Variance : 1,500
        Standard Deviation : 1,225
        Total rolls : 3

Americans Combat
            1 was rolled 3 times
            2 was rolled 8 times
            3 was rolled 7 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 8 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 3,622
        Median : 4,000
        Variance : 0,528
        Standard Deviation : 0,726
        Total rolls : 37

[Shin-Ji]

@Nozdormu:

@Nozdormu:

@Shin:

1 hit on the second round.  Man, what a waste.  :lol:

Well go for 1 infantry. I need to save my AA for your German airforce. They need more targets.

Kinda wondering what the maximum amount of kills is with AA. 3-4?

Each AA gets 3 shots, so it depends on how many planes are attacking.  Or did you mean what’s the max ever shot down in one AA roll?

[Guest]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 34

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
                  Chinese take Shensi from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
                  Chinese take Szechwan from Japanese

Combat - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing PUs for Americans from 127 to 126
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            4 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan

Place Units - Chinese
            6 infantry placed in Yunnan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 20 PUs; end with 21 PUs total

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Manchuria : 1 airfield
    Shensi : 1 infantry
    Yunnan : 14 infantry
    Szechwan : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 72 / 94
    Russians : 5 / 0
    Japanese : 27 / 40
    Americans : 102 / 126
    Chinese : 20 / 21
    British : 20 / 25
    UK_Pacific : 10 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 23
    ANZAC : 0 / 0
    French : 0 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 1200
    Neutral_Axis : 6 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 6 / 0

Dice Statistics:

Total
            1 was rolled 4 times
            2 was rolled 11 times
            3 was rolled 9 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 10 times
            6 was rolled 6 times
        Average roll : 3,543
        Median : 3,000
        Variance : 0,889
        Standard Deviation : 0,943
        Total rolls : 46

Null / Other
            2 was rolled 2 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            6 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,250
        Median : 2,500
        Variance : 2,000
        Standard Deviation : 1,414
        Total rolls : 4

Germans Combat
            2 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,500
        Median : 3,500
        Variance : 2,000
        Standard Deviation : 1,414
        Total rolls : 2

Italians Combat
            1 was rolled 1 times
            3 was rolled 1 times
            5 was rolled 1 times
        Average roll : 3,000
        Median : 3,000
        Variance : 1,500
        Standard Deviation : 1,225
        Total rolls : 3

Americans Combat
            1 was rolled 3 times
            2 was rolled 8 times
            3 was rolled 7 times
            4 was rolled 6 times
            5 was rolled 8 times
            6 was rolled 5 times
        Average roll : 3,622
        Median : 4,000
        Variance : 0,528
        Standard Deviation : 0,726
        Total rolls : 37