13L Playoffs Hobo (axis) vs Gamerman01 (allies +12)


  • use this, basically swapped positions for a destroyer and sub


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Americans
                Americans buy 1 artillery, 3 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Americans
                1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
                      Americans take 22 Sea Zone from Japanese
                2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
                2 artilleries, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
                2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
                1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Midway to 34 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Norway
                1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
                2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                2 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
                1 infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium
                1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Norway
                2 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to Holland Belgium
                1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Morocco to 91 Sea Zone
                1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway

    Combat - Americans
                Battle in Norway
                    Americans attack with 2 bombers, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                    Germans defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                    Americans win, taking Norway from Germans with 2 bombers, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                    Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                    Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
                Battle in Kiangsu
                    Americans attack with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
                    Americans win, taking Kiangsu from Japanese with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                    Turning on Edit Mode
                    EDIT: Removing units owned by Chinese from Kiangsu: 1 factory_minor
                    EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                Battle in Holland Belgium
                    Americans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry
                    Germans defend with 1 infantry
                    Americans win, taking Holland Belgium from Germans with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Battle in 34 Sea Zone
                    Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine
                    Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
                Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                    Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
                Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                    Americans attack with 2 submarines
                    Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans win, taking 44 Sea Zone from Japanese with 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - Americans
                2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from South Australia to 33 Sea Zone
                1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
                1 bomber moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
                2 bombers moved from Western United States to Caroline Islands
                1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
                1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
                2 bombers moved from Norway to Normandy Bordeaux
                2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to Quebec
                1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
                2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to 112 Sea Zone
                1 carrier moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from Western United States to Midway
                1 fighter moved from 34 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
                1 fighter moved from Midway to 33 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - Americans
                1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry placed in Western United States
                Americans undo move 1.
                1 artillery and 2 fighters placed in Western United States
                2 infantry placed in Central United States
                3 destroyers, 3 submarines and 1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
                Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs total
                Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
                Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
                Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 79 PUs


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Chinese
                Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
                Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Chinese
                1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
                      Chinese take Kwangsi from Japanese
                1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                      Chinese take Hunan from Japanese
                1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
                1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Shensi
                1 infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
                3 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow

    Combat - Chinese
                Battle in Chahar
                    Chinese attack with 1 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                    Japanese win with 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                    Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
                Battle in Shensi
                    Chinese attack with 2 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Battle in Kweichow
                    Chinese attack with 3 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
                1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Hunan
                7 infantry moved from Yunnan to Burma

    Place Units - Chinese
                2 infantry placed in Kiangsu

    Turn Complete - Chinese
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,5
                Chinese collect 10 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs total
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Changing PUs for Chinese from 10 to 12
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

  • '12

    hot knife through butter


  • Casualty choice in Z37 please


  • sink the carrier


  • OK, continuing


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Purchase Units - British
                British buy 1 artillery, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

    Combat Move - British
                2 artilleries moved from France to Southern France
                1 artillery moved from West India to India
                1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to 37 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
                1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Denmark
                6 infantry moved from France to Southern France
                3 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Southern France
                2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Southern France
                1 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
                      British take Romania from Germans
                1 infantry moved from West India to India
                1 infantry moved from West India to India

    Combat - British
                Battle in Denmark
                Battle in Southern France
                    British attack with 2 artilleries, 10 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                    Germans defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour; Italians defend with 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                    British win, taking Denmark from Germans, taking Southern France from Germans with 2 artilleries, 9 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                    Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for Italians: 1 aaGun and 2 infantry
                Battle in India
                    British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    British win, taking India from Japanese with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                    British attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                    Japanese defend with 1 carrier and 2 fighters
                    British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                    Casualties for Japanese: 1 carrier and 2 fighters
                    Casualties for British: 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber

    Non Combat Move - British
                3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Burma
                1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
                1 infantry moved from Albania to Bulgaria
                1 battleship moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 aaGun moved from France to Southern France
                1 bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to Burma
                1 artillery moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                1 artillery moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
                1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
                1 armour and 1 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
                1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 112 Sea Zone to Norway
                2 fighters moved from France to Iraq
                1 armour moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
                1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Norway
                1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
                1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
                1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
                1 aaGun moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium

    Place Units - British
                1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
                1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 71 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer placed in 110 Sea Zone
                1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in United Kingdom

    Turn Complete - British
                British collect 42 PUs; end with 43 PUs total
                Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 39 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,4,1,5,3,2,6,5,2,3
                UK_Pacific collect 3 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 3 PUs total


  • man this sucks big time, the attrition rates are still horrendous, especially in China…
    had nearly 20% chance to hold kiangsu, but lost… previous china had less than a 10% chance to win in suiyuyan, but of course won…  :|


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Purchase Units - Italians
                Italians buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

    Combat Move - Italians
                1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France

    Combat - Italians
                Battle in France
                    Italians attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    French defend with 1 airfield, 1 armour and 1 factory_minor
                    Italians captures 15PUs while taking French capital
                    Italians win, taking France from French with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                    Casualties for French: 1 armour

    Non Combat Move - Italians
                1 fighter moved from Ukraine to Southern Italy
                1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

    Place Units - Italians
                1 infantry placed in Southern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,2,5,4,6,1,3
                Italians collect 6 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 22 PUs total
                Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Southern Italy: 1 infantry
                EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Southern Italy: 1 artillery
                EDIT: Changing PUs for Italians from 22 to 21
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Purchase Units - ANZAC
                ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

    Combat Move - ANZAC
                1 bomber moved from Yunnan to Malaya

    Combat - ANZAC
                Strategic bombing raid in Malaya
                    Bombing raid in Malaya rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_minor
                    Bombing raid in Malaya causes 5 damage total.

    Non Combat Move - ANZAC
                1 bomber moved from Malaya to Burma
                2 fighters moved from Yunnan to Kiangsu
                1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
                1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from 45 Sea Zone to Dutch New Guinea
                      ANZAC take Dutch New Guinea from Dutch
                1 fighter moved from Northern Territory to Caroline Islands

    Place Units - ANZAC
                1 submarine placed in 62 Sea Zone
                1 artillery placed in New South Wales

    Turn Complete - ANZAC
                ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 11 PUs total
                Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 16 PUs


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 7

    Combat Move - French

    Non Combat Move - French
                1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco

    Turn Complete - French


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 8

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
                Germans repair 6 damage on 6 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 69 PUs;
                Germans buy 4 bombers, 3 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Germans
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
                2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Romania
                1 bomber moved from Ukraine to Romania
                9 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
                3 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
                1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Smolensk

    Combat - Germans
                Battle in Smolensk
                    Germans attack with 9 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                    Russians defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Smolensk from Russians with 9 artilleries, 23 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                    Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Battle in Denmark
                    Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Denmark from British with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Battle in Holland Belgium
                    Germans attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    British defend with 1 aaGun; Americans defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from Americans with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                    Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                    Casualties for British: 1 aaGun
                    Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry
                Battle in Romania
                    Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys
                    British defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans win, taking Romania from British with 1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                    Casualties for British: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Germans
                1 armour moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
                6 armour and 17 mech_infantrys moved from Caucasus to Bryansk
                1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
                1 artillery moved from Tambov to Bryansk
                1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
                5 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Smolensk
                1 bomber moved from Romania to Bryansk
                2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
                1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Greater Southern Germany
                1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
                1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
                8 infantry moved from Western Germany to Germany
                4 fighters moved from Germany to Bryansk
                1 fighter moved from Germany to Novgorod
                1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Germany
                2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Romania

    Place Units - Germans
                3 infantry placed in Novgorod
                3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
                4 bombers placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
                Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                    Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,5,6,5,3,6,5
                Germans collect 45 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 45 PUs total
                Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
                Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 55 PUs


  • TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Russians
                Russians buy 1 artillery and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

    Combat Move - Russians
                1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Tambov
                      Russians take Tambov from Germans
                1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia

    Combat - Russians
                Battle in Siberia
                    Russians attack with 1 infantry
                    Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                    Japanese win with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                    Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
                1 infantry moved from Kansu to Novosibirsk
                6 armour and 7 mech_infantrys moved from Kazakhstan to Russia
                1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Vologda to Russia
                2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Samara to Russia
                2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
                2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Volgograd to Samara

    Place Units - Russians
                1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
                Russians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total


  • Decided to take Rostov after all


  • TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.8

    Game History

    Round: 8

    Purchase Units - Japanese
                Japanese repair 5 damage on 5 factory_minors; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 76 PUs;
                Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 1 carrier, 6 destroyers and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 1 PUs;

    Combat Move - Japanese
                1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ceylon to 39 Sea Zone
                2 transports moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
                4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
                1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha
                      Japanese take Sakha from Russians
                1 artillery moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
                      Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
                1 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
                      Japanese take Yenisey from Russians
                1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 submarine moved from 56 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Philippines to 22 Sea Zone
                1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
                1 battleship moved from 39 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
                1 mech_infantry moved from Jehol to Suiyuyan
                      Japanese take Suiyuyan from Chinese
                1 infantry moved from Hopei to Kweichow
                1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Shensi
                1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
                1 fighter moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
                1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
                1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
                1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
                1 fighter moved from Shan State to Shensi
                1 bomber moved from Malaya to Kweichow
                1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Yunnan
                2 infantry moved from Szechwan to Kweichow
                1 armour moved from Szechwan to Tsinghai
                      Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
                      Japanese take Tsinghai from Chinese


  • scramble orders for midway, and submerge orders for a few subs…

  • '12

    It’s paralyzing when the luck all goes one way  :|


  • May be, but that’s certainly not what’s happened here


  • Subs submerge
    Fighters don’t scramble

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