The Economist summed it up pretty well: Russia had to get a deal done, and the Chinese got a favorable terms as a result. They’re hardly staunch allies, just global powers that share some, but not all agendas. I’m happy for the Chinese people that the country will burn less coal as a result.
Russia escalates things
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Russia gives ultimatum to Ukrainian forces in Crimea: Clear out within 11 hours or face ‘military storm,’ Russian state media report.
Shit’s about to get real.
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The thing I find funny is while Southern Europe (Spain, Greece, etc) grumbles about the austerity policies of the EU (Austrians and Germans perfected the practice) you have people from the outside clamoring to get in. As they say, the grass is always greener on the other side.
Just split the country up, the ethnic lines form a convenient east-west longitudinal border.
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The Americans have about as much business mucking around in Ukraine as the western powers had in the 1850s.
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Hi Rjpeters.
I am watching the BBC news .
The Russians are only there to “stabilise the situation”.
Putin is on TV for the first time in a week.
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The Americans have about as much business mucking around in Ukraine as the western powers had in the 1850s.�
Well, we have treaty obligations. If Ukraine falls or is allowed to be divided by military action, how long before NATO countries like Poland and Hungary feel Russia breathing down their neck?
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Here’s a BBC article which includes a graphic showing a comparison of the forces on the Russian and Ukrainian sides, plus a map of the Crimean Peninsula showing some of their dispositions.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26421703
If things heat up sufficiently, I wonder if this conflict will eventually be called the Second Crimean War? Ironically – since the current events over there can be followed in real time over the Internet – the original Crimean War had the distinction of being one of the first wars to receive extensive print and photo coverage in international news media, with telegraphed reports reaching British newspaper audiences in a matter of hours.
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Thank you for that Marc.
I am surprised Russia only has 2500 tanks. Seems a small number. Suppose I am imagining, counting, the tanks in former republics of the Soviet Union(including the Ukraine).
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Berlin and Moscow should find a solution for this. War in Ukraine would be a disaster for Europe as a whole. Washington and London should keep their fingers off Ukraine. It is not their business. :wink:
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Eastern Europe is a key space between Germany and Russia.
Stability and prosperity of this space is essential for peace in Europe.
So much gas, oil, traffic, goods, people and services travels from Russia to Germany.
London never wanted a unified, strong and cooperating Europe. The core of their foreign policy for last 2 centuries is in destroying any economical and political alliance between Berlin and Moscow. It is time that this two great powers of Europe, the two greatest European nation-states in the history of our continent, find strength and wisdom for keeping peace, stability and prosperity in the region.
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@wittmann:
Thank you for that Marc.
I am surprised Russia only has 2500 tanks. Seems a small number. Suppose I am imagining, counting, the tanks in former republics of the Soviet Union(including the Ukraine).
Am also remembering tank numbers from 44/45.Tanks are becoming as outdated as battleships.
These days they are only good in enforced no-fly-zones, and against civilians/crowd mobs or militia style infantry.
And even then, the infamous RPG, or sniper rifle looking to pop a commander, is lurking in every urban corner.
Tank Terror is no more.
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Yeah, tank is good in some occasions, but his greatest moments are behind him.
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Tanks are becoming as outdated as battleships. These days they are only good in enforced no-fly-zones, and against civilians/crowd mobs or militia style infantry. And even then, the infamous RPG, or sniper rifle looking to pop a commander, is lurking in every urban corner. Tank Terror is no more.
Tank effectiveness has always been and remains dependent on environment. They’re at their best in open, flat environments (like deserts) where they can operate like ships at sea; they’re at their worst in congested environments (like cities) where tanks need to operate under close support from nimble infantrymen.
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@CWO:
Tank effectiveness has always been and remains dependent on environment. They’re at their best in open, flat environments (like deserts) where they can operate like ships at sea; they’re at their worst in congested environments (like cities) where tanks need to operate under close support from nimble infantrymen.
I would argue against this… and echo what Garg was saying.
Tank effectiveness does remain dependent on environment, but the old effectiveness is different from the new effectiveness. In the days of prop driven aircraft, when weather was a factor and the airplane posed less of a threat, tanks rule the battlefield depending on the day and associated air cover.
Nowadays, any properly equipped plane, helicopter or drone can be a tank-killer (in any weather). Being out in the open on flat terrain is essentially a death sentence for a tank. That is where the tank’s weapons may be most effective, but the tank itself no longer is… partially because enemy tanks will not be out in the open to fight any more.
With the absence of large scale tank battles and much warfare becoming urbanized, the design of the tank will have to adapt to remain a potent threat. Though, that may not even be possible. They are still relatively effective vehicles against civilian crowds and poorly armed militants; now their primary use. When was the last time we saw major tank vs. tank action? The Gulf War? I can’t find exact figures, but I would imagine that aircraft destroyed at least as many, if not more, Iraqi tanks than coalition tanks did.
Besides that, virtually the only modern tanks in the world are developed and deployed by our allies: Germany, Britain, Brazil, France, Israel… Certainly Russia and China would be capable if they put their resources to it.
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Eastern Europe is a key space between Germany and Russia.
Stability and prosperity of this space is essential for peace in Europe.
So much gas, oil, traffic, goods, people and services travels from Russia to Germany.
London never wanted a unified, strong and cooperating Europe. The core of their foreign policy for last 2 centuries is in destroying any economical and political alliance between Berlin and Moscow. It is time that this two great powers of Europe, the two greatest European nation-states in the history of our continent, find strength and wisdom for keeping peace, stability and prosperity in the region.
Britain is part of the EU and so is Germany. If it affects Germany it will affect the rest of the EU too. Why should they not be involved. Britain being legitimately concerned is not meddling.
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The Americans have about as much business mucking around in Ukraine as the western powers had in the 1850s.�
Well, we have treaty obligations. If Ukraine falls or is allowed to be divided by military action, how long before NATO countries like Poland and Hungary feel Russia breathing down their neck?
Your treaty obligations do not require you to meddle in the internal politics in Ukraine. America should stay out of Russia’s business.
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Eastern Europe is a key space between Germany and Russia.
Stability and prosperity of this space is essential for peace in Europe.
So much gas, oil, traffic, goods, people and services travels from Russia to Germany.
London never wanted a unified, strong and cooperating Europe. The core of their foreign policy for last 2 centuries is in destroying any economical and political alliance between Berlin and Moscow. It is time that this two great powers of Europe, the two greatest European nation-states in the history of our continent, find strength and wisdom for keeping peace, stability and prosperity in the region.
Britain is part of the EU and so is Germany. If it affects Germany it will affect the rest of the EU too. Why should they not be involved. Britain being legitimately concerned is not meddling.
We in Europe like to say that Britain is and is not a part of the EU. They are a member state, but often behaving like they are not. They are constantly blocking some further development of the EU project, and they are also thinking to have a referendum about leaving the EU. All tough it is not realistic they will hold, it who knows.
They do not have euro as a currency.
They are not part of the Shengen agreement.
They are constantly for more than a century, blocking any path that leads to a unified and strong Europe. It is their nightmare, since that in that case, they loose their primate. Everything moves east then. They are slowly loosing ground, but still holding.
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The Americans have about as much business mucking around in Ukraine as the western powers had in the 1850s.�
Well, we have treaty obligations. If Ukraine falls or is allowed to be divided by military action, how long before NATO countries like Poland and Hungary feel Russia breathing down their neck?
Your treaty obligations do not require you to meddle in the internal politics in Ukraine. America should stay out of Russia’s business.
Shouldn’t it be Russia staying out of Ukraines business? Since when is that “their business?” Does this mean Russia needs to shut the crap up about Syria since that’s clearly “our business?”
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@rjpeters70:
So, Ukraine is Russia’s business? What other countries are Russia’s business? Lithuania? Belarus? Kazakhstan? Poland?
You are right, Ukraine is USA’s business … like Scotland is Japanese business, Catalonia is Australian one, and Mexico is Russian.
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How do you isolate the largest country on the planet. They can be self-sufficient if they want to.
Sure, they will be self-sufficient to survive. As a part of the global economy Russia and Putin’s regime will face serious problems and Europe as well. Russia is #1 natural gas supplier in Europe, for example.
The deal would be that Ukraine enters EU, but not NATO. If the deal is broken by Ukraine entering NATO, Crimea should have the option to leave Ukraine.
Won’t work. Once you in (NATO), no way away. Also, USA broke the publicly given promise that they stop NATO expansion behind Germany.
I honestly don’t know a solution.
Russia gives ultimatum to Ukrainian forces in Crimea: Clear out within 11 hours or face ‘military storm,’
That is lie coming from the neo-nazi in Kiev. I’m surprised Yahoo kept it the top news for a day.
London never wanted a unified, strong and cooperating Europe. The core of their foreign policy for last 2 centuries is in destroying any economical and political alliance between Berlin and Moscow.
Agree. London is #1 geopolitical opponent for both in Europe for many many years.
“We have no permanent friends. We have no permanent enemies. We just have permanent interests.” Winston Churchill.
Economy drives politicks and vice versa. No interest for London in good business connections between Rus and Ger. -
To be honest, Syria isn’t american Business.
Neither is Ukraine.
As for the Russian invasion. Thats a Ukrainian problem.
Here’s the bottom line. Russia wouldn’t be invading if the Ukrainians managed their government responsibly, ethically, and morally.
Instead, for decades, Ukrainian leadership has been busy lining its own pockets, and screwing the little people, who time and time again, elect the same corrupt leadership.
Then instead of helping, the whole world is in the Ukraine looking to get a slice of the action, an ear to the power, and a finger on the strings.
USA, Russia, england, Europe, africa, Asia, it Doesnt matter. Its all bad for Ukraine. The best move is not to play.
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