Tcnance(axis) vs MrRoboto(allies) +6

[MrRoboto]

Dude, you have to edit it.

I don’t know how you want to distribute my two hits.

In SZ111 you’ll have to add all my units (battleship (damaged), cruiser, destroyer).

If you let your sub survive, it will have to retreat to sz 124 or sz112. You can retreat your planes according to the movement left.

[MrRoboto]

bump

[tcnance]

2 hits, bb and des, retreat

[MrRoboto]

Dude, really.

You attack with 1 sub, 1 fighter, 2 tac, 1 strat.
I score 2 hits. You need to choose your casualties now.

You don’t have bb or destroyer….

And YOU are the one who makes the edit changes now. Because you can change your NCM accordingly. Losing the battle in that Seazone might or might not affect the remaining NCM of your turn, so you are allowed to change them.

[MrRoboto]

You know what? I will just assume that you take sub and fighter as casualty and change no NCM. I will go on now.

You can edit your casualty choice / NCM change during your japanese turn, if you like to.

[MrRoboto]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 4 artilleries and 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Eastern Poland
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Bessarabia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Eastern Poland
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 112 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States

Combat - Russians
            Germans scrambles 3 units out of Western Germany to defend against the attack in 112 Sea Zone
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 3 armour
                retreated to Eastern Poland
                Germans win with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Russians attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour
                Russians win, taking Bessarabia from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Baltic States
                Russians attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                Germans win with 1 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Battle in 112 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and 1 transport
                Germans win with 1 cruiser, 3 fighters and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
            Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
            Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany
            Moving scrambled unit from 112 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Western Germany

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            1 fighter moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
            6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            1 cruiser moved from 115 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            3 artilleries placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
            5 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs

[tcnance]

ok, no p……ill take the casulties u selected

[tcnance]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Hunan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan

[tcnance]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Hunan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan

[tcnance]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 4 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 artillery moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 artillery moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            2 fighters moved from Manchuria to Hunan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 3 infantry
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Anhwe
            1 artillery moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            3 fighters moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            3 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 artillery moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangsi
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Korea to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            2 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Japan to Manchuria
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Anhwe to Kiangsu

Place Units - Japanese
            2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 34 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 44 PUs

[MrRoboto]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

[MrRoboto]

Scramble Italy?

[tcnance]

yes, full scramble, save italy figs for last

[MrRoboto]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 96 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 111 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to 110 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in 96 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport
                British win with 1 cruiser and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 15
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer and 1 transport
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 destroyer
                Germans defend with 1 submarine
                British win with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Germans defend with 1 battleship
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                British win with 1 battleship and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 fighter; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport
                British win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 fighter moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            1 artillery moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry moved from United Kingdom to 109 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 2 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 109 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to Suriname
                  British take Suriname from Dutch
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
                  British take Eastern Persia from Neutral_Allies
            2 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
                  UK_Pacific take Celebes from Dutch
            1 battleship moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 armour and 2 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 destroyer moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Greece
                  British take Greece from Neutral_Allies

Place Units - British
            1 factory_minor placed in Egypt
            1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,2,2,1
            British collect 27 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 27 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 32 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 2 artilleries and 3 infantry

[tcnance]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            2 artilleries moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 artillery moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Tunisia

[tcnance]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            2 artilleries moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Southern France
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                  Italians take Anglo Egyptian Sudan from British
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to Kenya
                  Italians take Kenya from British
            1 infantry moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 artillery moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Tunisia

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 destroyer
                British defend with 1 transport
                Italians win, taking 99 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                French defend with 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                French win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -10
                Casualties for French: 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Italians: 1 bomber, 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Southern France from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tunisia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Tunisia from French with 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 artillery moved from Tobruk to Libya
            1 infantry moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Albania to Romania
            2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 95 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 94 Sea Zone to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Ethiopia to Kenya
            1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to Kenya

Place Units - Italians
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 72 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6
            Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total

[MrRoboto]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - French
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Holland Belgium

Combat - French
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                French attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber
                retreated to Holland Belgium
                Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Germans: 2 aaGuns
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - French
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom
            1 infantry moved from Syria to Trans-Jordan
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from French West Africa to French Central Africa

Turn Complete - French

[MrRoboto]

bump (number 2)

[tcnance]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 3 armour, 10 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to 112 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
                  Germans take Western Ukraine from Russians
            1 armour moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
            1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
                  Germans take Normandy Bordeaux from French
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg
                  Germans take Vyborg from Russians
            1 bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to 110 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone

[tcnance]

scramble?