Thank you fro the answer. I thought it might have been a little closer.
Hope things are working out for you over there.
A victory for the terrorists
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By the way, I’d like to point out…
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that’s funny stuff - if you don’t live in the US. For a democracy and a supposedly great civilization, you people sure are paranoid between the NRA, the army, CIA, NSA, Secret Service, White House, Homeland Security, as well as those a$$ inspectors in the airports. It’s a wonder anything gets done there.
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Naw those problems allways come from the “blue state” people… they allways have problems with government, because they really want more of it and at the same time want less control from it… They just wait for those damm checks to keep coming.
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How does adding congressional and judicial oversight to Patriot Act I powers, and including sunset clauses to make such powers permanent, going to do harm to national security? Because that is all we are talking about. Safeguards against abuse of power. The bi-party opposition to the Patriot Act II are simply trying to modify the new bill.
Yanny, I’d like you to answer something for me. How has your life been impacted by the Patriot Act? Mine hasn’t, so what’s the big friggin deal if the US wiretaps and listens in on suspected Al Qaeda terror cells in an attempt to break them up. The Buffalo Six was caught this way. I don’t know why you are all about “privacy”. Can you give me an instance where your privacy has been violated by this act?
As a response to the above quote, Yanny, I don’t have the slightest idea what you are talking about. I’m sure the sunset clauses as you put them were in place in case we didn’t need the patriot act any more. Unfortunetaly, muslim terrorists are not stopping with their intent to murder as many Americans as they can. With the porus border to our south, we need to have this act to watch out for those who are trying to come into this country to kill us. Again, what abuse of power? My rights haven’t been affected and neither have yours. If terrorists and criminals in this country feel threatened by the patriot act, I have one response: GOOD!
Terrorism is all hype? Are you nuts? Tell me how those savages killed 3,000 Americans or did those planes just go off course?
Rune Blade
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Terrorism may not be all hype, but the Patriot Act is.
You asked others to explain to you, so you tell me Rune…
What provisions of the Patriot Act cannot be accomplished using previously existing legislation and obtaining a warrant from a judge, ANY judge?I’ll tell you one, the bottleneck for HAZMAT CDL drivers. But alas, you don;t need a HAZMAT CDL to make a truck bomb out of a Ryder rental, as we found out at World Trade in 93 and in OKC in 95.
You care to take a shot at what the Patriot Act DOES?
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It is true that the patriot act can be horribly abused, but has this occured yet? My liberties have not been taken from me, and Im confident that the media would report something so dramatic. As far as I can tell, it has done no harm, and though i dont like the idea of giving more power to the feds, I think it is an effective means of helping to stop the terrorist threat.
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@marine36:
It is true that the patriot act can be horribly abused, but has this occured yet? My liberties have not been taken from me, and Im confident that the media would report something so dramatic. As far as I can tell, it has done no harm, and though i dont like the idea of giving more power to the feds, I think it is an effective means of helping to stop the terrorist threat.
Two things Marine…
#1 Is your name Jose Pedila by chance? If so, you just spent 3 years in a naval brig without having been charged with anything and without being allowed access to a lawyer. You may not be Jose Pedila, but you do have somethign in common with him, you both are American Citizens.
2# We HAVE seen your argument before…
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller -
You know, I don’t have AIDS, or HIV, so I thought maybe we shouldn’t worry about it. In fact, strip any funding for it. It’s not that serious, and isn’t an epidemic yet, so hey, why bother?
Ok, slightly off-topic, but you’ve got to think of more than yourself. I’m not saying you aren’t important, or that you shouldn’t cover your own butt (that’s why I think the Patriot Act is literal BS) - no one else is obligated but you.
So, if it hasn’t bothered you when it was implemented, it won’t bother you when it’s shot down…American citizens aren’t the enemy. We already have a paranoid state, we don’t need them tweaking, too.
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Sorry RB, I’ll get to your response in a few hours. Just kind of busy right now :) I haven’t forgot you.
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Switch, Ive never heard of Jose Pedila. What is the source for your info? Ive never heard him mentioned before, pretty strange considering the media will do anything to attack Bush.
If what you say is true, it proves my point. It is an isolated incident, not something that is happening widespread.
I believe you are overeacting.
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He spelled it wrong. Jose Padilla.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/18/national/nationalspecial3/18padilla.html
Held without charge for years.
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TY Yanny for the correction of my spelling.
As for source of news…
ALL of them.Hell we didn;t treat the Rosenburgs THAT badly.
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@ncscswitch:
TY Yanny for the correction of my spelling.
As for source of news…
ALL of them.Hell we didn;t treat the Rosenburgs THAT badly.
poor Ethel . . . .
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I’m going to have to agree with Yanny on this one, Rune. The Patriot Act, in and of itself, was a victory for the terrorist organizations. Terrorists despise American freedom, especially since we try and free the people they keep domesticated through the use of terror in their own countries. The Patriot Act just limited American freedoms and not terrorists. That’s the problem with laws in general, you only limit those who follow the laws!
For instance, if you made it 100% illegal to own firearms, no law abiding citizen would have a gun. However, many of your criminals would still have guns because they don’t care how many laws they break.
Or
Making it illegal to smoke. Non-smokers would follow the law, but many smokers would break the law. (I speak from first hand experience here. Ft. Benning is a Smoke Free Base and there’s still cigarette butts all over the place out there.)
It’s better to just secretly send in Marine Force Recon or Army Airborne/Rangers and kill our target without notifying the public until afterwards. Better - not ethical, morale or legal per-say, but better for success rate and domestic tranquility.
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Well, we can agree or disagree on this issue. I think it is necessary, you all might not. I don’t see why we should allow these muslim killers to use the freedoms we enjoy to kill thousands of Americans again. If 9/11 wasn’t a wake up call, I don’t know what is. Putting up the Clinton wall again between agencies is not the answer. Secure the border, Secure our country.
By the way, glad to hear from you Jennifer. Hope things are going well.
Rune Blade
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@Rune:
Secure the border, Secure our country.
On THAT Rune I agree with you. In point of fact, if we had secure borders, most of the Patriot Act provisions would be pointless and silly.
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It’s better to just secretly send in Marine Force Recon or Army Airborne/Rangers and kill our target without notifying the public until afterwards. Better - not ethical, morale or legal per-say, but better for success rate and domestic tranquility.
consider that you have the occassional target that is innocent and an American citizen.
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consider that you have the occassional target that is innocent and an American citizen.
Possible, but not as likely as catching a bad guy.
Rune Blade
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Its pretty easy to tell the difference between your average American citizen and terrorist. I think the turbans really give them away.
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Tim McVey wore a turban?
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