14L G40 AWN vs. BOLD

[boldfresh]

if you’d rather just continue, i would understand - i just want to appeal to you from the standpoint that i think those dice were such heavy outliers that it is likely the match is ruined from the outset.  i think you should hope that the dice are relatively FAIR, not that they completely decimate your opponent in the first round  :-P

[allweneedislove]

@Boldfresh:

well, that was complete disaster.  maybe you will get no hits in the land battles.  :lol:

yes you did get shitty dice.

@Boldfresh:

i don’t suppose you are interested in a reboot of that first round.

i’m not really excited to reboot let me think about it.

@Boldfresh:

that went almost as badly as you could possibly imagine for the germans.

it was very bad and definitely below average, but could have gone worse for you.

@Boldfresh:

if you’d rather just continue, i would understand -

i am not sure what i want to do yet

@Boldfresh:

i just want to appeal to you from the standpoint that i think those dice were such heavy outliers that it is likely the match is ruined from the outset.

i dont think they are very heavy outliers
this was a very risky opening.
you attacked both big british naveis in sz110 and sz11(even the weird low odds attack on sz109 but i will ignore that for now) and paris and southern france.

in the paris battle, the end result you had was about 20% and could have been worse, much worse, there was a 2% chance that france would hold paris.

in sz111 you had an 82% chance of winning. you got the bottom 18% percent, but that battle could have gone worse as well and i could have won it 12% of the time.

in sz110, without me scrambling it is a very safe battle, and you got below odds. but that result happens about 25% of the time.

southern france, yugoslavia, and sz109 combined were almost average.

@Boldfresh:

i think you should hope that the dice are relatively FAIR, not that they completely decimate your opponent in the first round  :-P

sort of. if my opponent makes conservative attacks with overwhelming odds i don’t want them to get screwed by the dice. but i need bad dice to act as the disincentive for risky attacks.

i feel confident in my game that if my opponent does not get very lucky dice in risky battles i will win, assuming i don’t have a brain fart(i have made a handful in my games).
my opponents have an incentive to make risky attacks and hope to get lucky, but i need the disincentive of bad luck to keep them from even trying the risky attacks.

i need my opponents to know that bad dice can end their game, guiding them to make more conservative attacks.

i just went through all 17 of my league, death t.v., and xdap matches in which there were regular dice and i was germany.

not once did i make an attack in sz111 as risky as this game.
not once did i make an attack on paris as risky as this game.

you combined both these risky attacks in ONE game, and got bad dice.

actually after going through all this and typing this out i now feel i don’t want to redo the german turn.

i don’t want you to feel slighted so maybe we can do something else.
i also don’t want to give you(or any future opponents) a redo to get lucky.
i don’t want to just edit the average result for all the battles as this is EXTREMELY favourable to the attacker. i consider it very lucky to get the mean result in all my attacks on one powers turn.
possibly we play the game in lowluck?
do you have any other suggestions?

[boldfresh]

let’s just play it out from here then.

[boldfresh]

my main point is yes, i did get unlucky in some battles and because i took some riskier battles, i have to expect that to happen sometimes.  but to get bottom 20% in multiple battles in the same turn is beyond expected.  i don’t really want to discuss the dice any further - if you are not willing to consider the fact that i did roll what i thought were live dice the first time around (accidentally sent to roboto) and those dice resulted in a roughly even outcome then i guess there is nothing else to do but continue with these second (terrible) dice.

[boldfresh]

i am not really interested in a low luck match as i would be totally out of my element - it would be the first ever match i have played that way.

[boldfresh]

i guess i thought the one time full luck reroll was a good option since you would have the compensatory reroll should you also ever receive such a terrible “string” of luck.

[boldfresh]

i dont think they are very heavy outliers

I agree with you in this statement - no one battle was a heavy outlier.  the heavy outlier was the combined outcome.  for two battles to go to odds (109 and s fra) and the other 4 battles to go way below odds, that’s what i meant by a heavy outlier.

[boldfresh]

i guess yugo plus s fra plus 109 went roughly to odds.  and france, 110, and 111 were each around bottom 20-25% maybe?  so what we are talking about is about a combined result of 1 in 100 with the three largest battles being the ones that went badly.  that’s a pretty huge outlier i think.  could any of those battles have gone worse?  of course.  but how often will that combined set of battles go that poorly?  i would say less than 1 in 100.  and the three most critical battles were the ones that went the worst.

[allweneedislove]

@Boldfresh:

my main point is yes, i did get unlucky in some battles and because i took some riskier battles, i have to expect that to happen sometimes.  but to get bottom 20% in multiple battles in the same turn is beyond expected.

yes your dice were shitty.

@Boldfresh:

i don’t really want to discuss the dice any further - if you are not willing to consider the fact that i did roll what i thought were live dice the first time around (accidentally sent to roboto) and those dice resulted in a roughly even outcome then i guess there is nothing else to do but continue with these second (terrible) dice.

i am not willing to consider dice to another email. if the rolls were reversed i would not consider the dice legit and reroll all the battles.

@Boldfresh:

i am not really interested in a low luck match as i would be totally out of my element - it would be the first ever match i have played that way.

i understand that.

@Boldfresh:

i guess i thought the one time full luck reroll was a good option since you would have the compensatory reroll should you also ever receive such a terrible “string” of luck.

i did ask you pregame if you wanted to do a lowluck reroll like in our xdap game and you said no.

@Boldfresh:

i dont think they are very heavy outliers

I agree with you in this statement - no one battle was a heavy outlier.  the heavy outlier was the combined outcome.  for two battles to go to odds (109 and s fra) and the other 4 battles to go way below odds, that’s what i meant by a heavy outlier.

yeah your dice sucked and i would be pissed if i got your dice.

@Boldfresh:

i guess yugo plus s fra plus 109 went roughly to odds.  and france, 110, and 111 were each around bottom 20-25% maybe?  so what we are talking about is about a combined result of 1 in 100 with the three largest battles being the ones that went badly.  that’s a pretty huge outlier i think.  could any of those battles have gone worse?  of course.  but how often will that combined set of battles go that poorly?  i would say less than 1 in 100.  and the three most critical battles were the ones that went the worst.

yeah your dice sucked.

my preference would be to play the game as is.
if you don’t feel like you can win then i would like you to resign and we can start a new game.

if you are upset with these options and would like to resign and not count the game towards the league we can do that too.

[boldfresh]

I think you must have missed where I said I am ready to continue the game as is.  Its your turn so proceed.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

if you are not willing to consider the fact that i did roll what i thought were live dice the first time around (accidentally sent to roboto) and those dice resulted in a roughly even outcome then i guess there is nothing else to do but continue with these second (terrible) dice.

Here is what u apparently missed.  So go ahead with r1 I dont want to hear another word about it.  I asked, you denied which is well within your right, and now lets move on.

Cheers

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

@Boldfresh:

if you are not willing to consider the fact that i did roll what i thought were live dice the first time around (accidentally sent to roboto) and those dice resulted in a roughly even outcome then i guess there is nothing else to do but continue with these second (terrible) dice.

Here is what u apparently missed.  So go ahead with r1 I dont want to hear another word about it.  I asked, you denied which is well within your right, and now lets move on.

Cheers

I prefer a game with u in which we only play, no discussion of any kind.  If you beat me I will ask for a rematch due to the horrendous nature of these opening dice.

[allweneedislove]

cool.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 6 artilleries and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Combat - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns and 6 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
            6 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 submarine moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Novgorod to Baltic States
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Baltic States
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Bessarabia
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Belarus
            2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Ukraine
            2 infantry moved from Caucasus to Rostov

Place Units - Russians
            3 artilleries placed in Novgorod
            3 artilleries placed in Ukraine
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 38 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Buryatia : 2 aaGuns and 18 infantry
    Belarus : 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
    Baltic States : 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 12 infantry
    Bryansk : 2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Rostov : 2 infantry
    Bessarabia : 1 artillery and 6 infantry
    Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 3 mech_infantrys
    Ukraine : 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor
    Novgorod : 1 airfield, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 6 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    125 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    115 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 38
    Japanese : 26 / 26
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 12 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 3 transports; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
                  Japanese take Anhwe from Chinese
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Hunan
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from Formosa to Hunan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kiangsu to Yunnan
            2 bombers moved from Japan to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Manchuria to Hunan

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Hunan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 3 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Hunan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 3 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 4 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 4 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            3 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Hunan to Kwangsi
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Kiangsu to Anhwe
            1 artillery moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Okinawa to 19 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Okinawa to Kwangsi
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 submarine, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            1 cruiser moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 19 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Shantung to Anhwe
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Jehol to Chahar
            1 fighter moved from Korea to 20 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 20 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Japan to 19 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 6 Sea Zone to Korea
            4 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 aaGun moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 30 PUs; end with 35 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 45 PUs

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 fighter moved from Philippines to Guam
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Eastern United States
            1 bomber moved from Central United States to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            1 carrier and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total

Territory Summary for Americans :

Philippines : 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Guam : 1 airfield and 1 fighter
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Hawaiian Islands : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    26 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    10 Sea Zone : 1 carrier and 2 submarines
    54 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
    Central United States : 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
    Eastern United States : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    101 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 38
    Japanese : 30 / 45
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 8 / 12
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Yunnan

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Yunnan
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Yunnan, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Yunnan
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Yunnan, round 4 :  3/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Yunnan, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese lost in Yunnan
                Chinese win, taking Yunnan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            3 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
            2 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            2 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Shensi

Place Units - Chinese
            4 infantry placed in Shensi

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs total
            Objective Chinese 1 Burma Road: Chinese met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 15 PUs

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Shensi : 1 fighter and 12 infantry
    Yunnan : 2 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 42 / 68
    Russians : 37 / 38
    Japanese : 29 / 45
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 9 / 15
    British : 28 / 28
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 10 / 10
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 12 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 6 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 1

Combat Move - British
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Malta to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 98 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone

[allweneedislove]

would you like to scramble in sz97?

[boldfresh]

@allweneedislove:

would you like to scramble in sz97?

no