Seems pretty good. Looks like a lot more money for the Allies. Might be required since the UK is so busted up. Seems like you’d always J1 given that the US is already making 5 bucks off Japan anyways.
G40 Enhanced begins. All are welcome.
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6. Dynamic neutral armies ( something more than X infantry)…Spain for example had air and naval units, but OOB just puts them as Infantry.
This is definitely needed.
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Updated OP:
-edited enhanced air units and naval units
-removed enhanced air combat
-removed enhanced armor
-removed dice bonuses3. Enhanced air units.
Fighters-cost 8 A2D2. On all hits an air unit must be chosen first(choose your own casualty applies)
-Fighters defend at 3, if there is an operational friendly airbase present
Tac bombers- cost 10 A3D3, no SBR
-Tac bombers A4D4 if there are no enemy aircraft, and atleast 1 friendly fighter is present (Air supremacy bonus)
Strat bombers- -SBR at one D6 (no more adding to dice) No other change
-No changes to range or carrier/airbase rules of any air unit.
-Only strategic bombers may SBR, only fighters may intercept/escort on SBR5. Enhance naval units
Cruisers cost reduced to 10 IPCs.
Battleships cost reduced to 18 IPCs.
Aircraft carriers cost reduced to 15 IPCs.
Transports cost reduced to 6 IPCs. When empty may move 3 spaces during noncombat move. No transport may move 4 spaces
-Transport ‘evasive maneuvers’, each transport caught undefended by an attacking warship or plane may roll 1 dice. A roll of a 1 is a successful evasive
maneuver and that transport is removed from battle and placed back on the gameboard, a transport that evaded an enemy attack while undefended may not
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I agree, a technology progression would rock, failing that, technologies that are worth getting would be better than what we have, even if we go from 12 back to 6.
Level 0)
Normal Mechanized Units- Mechanized infantry: Cost 5 IPC, Attack 1, Defend 2, can pair with artillery like infantry, can pair with armor and blitz…basically identical to now, but cost 5 IPC
- Armor: Cost 6 IPC, Attack 2, Defend 2, Move 2
Level 1)
Improved Mechanized Units:- Mechanized Infantry can blitz like tanks
- Tanks defend at 3
Level 2)
Improved Armored Units:- Tanks attack at 3
- Mechanized Infantry cost 4 IPC
Level 3)
Blitzkrieg- Mechanized Infantry attack at 2 but may not pair with artillery anymore
- Tanks cost 5 IPC
Each level would inherit the levels before it. So if you had level 3, your tanks would cost 5, attack at 3, defend at 3 and your mechanized infantry would cost 4, attack 2, defend 2 and blitz like tanks.
Just an example, I’m not married to the example, but just something I was thinking of when IL said progression.
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Are you wholeheartedly opposed to bombers getting back their +2 damage when launched from an air base?
And even making bombers 2/2/6, and giving them +2 attack when launched from an air base.
These planes were big and needed lots of support to do the hard hitting.
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Are you wholeheartedly opposed to bombers getting back their +2 damage when launched from an air base?
And even making bombers 2/2/6, and giving them +2 attack when launched from an air base.
These planes were big and needed lots of support to do the hard hitting.
I like this from a historical realism standpoint.
It would both nerf bombers a little bit and give more reason to purchase/use airbases.
Would also give more reasons to SBR air bases.
This could involve keeping fighters at airbases being used by Bombers for added protection from SBR.
Now that bases cost 12 IPCs, this could add a lot of interesting dynamics.I do not like D2 however, should stay at D1.
But I am starting to like it.
It is definatly an enhancement, without being over complicated or drastic.What do others think?
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Well then make bombers 3/1/6 - 10
+1 to attack power when launched from air base
+1 to damage roll when launched from air baseYou can lower the cost to 10 if you lower the attack and tie in the need for a base to bring them back to 4. The lower cost makes up for the need to be buying air bases more often.
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Cost 12 A3D1 range 6
Giving +2 to SBR while only +1 to attack I feel would add unnesicary confusion
AB gives +1 to attack, SBR and range (this is simple)
So their not too hindered without AB, but…I think I almost prefer your original. Just D1.
A2D1, AB gives +2 to both Attack and SBRThe 2nd one makes airbases much more vital, but the first is less drastic
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Well then weigh the following:
Option A:
Bomber - 2/1/6 - 10 IPCs
Special rules:
Ground Crews - Bombers that begin their turn in a territory with an operational friendly air base benefit from +2 to their combat value, and add +2 to their die roll when calculating damage during a strategic attackOption B:
Bomber - 3/1/6 - 12 IPCs
Special rules:
Ground Crews - Bombers that begin their turn in a territory with an operational friendly air base benefit from +1 to their combat value, and add +1 to their die roll when calculating damage during a strategic attackBoth options limit the potent firepower of the bomber to turns only when it starts at an airbase. Indeed making them vital.
Honestly, I prefer option B, and a rule for “night bombing” should be looked into.
Escorts/Interceptors rule suspended during attack, AA fires normally, bombers suffer -2 penalty to roll
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Well then weigh the following:
Option B:
Bomber - 3/1/6 - 12 IPCs
Special rules:
Ground Crews - Bombers that begin their turn in a territory with an operational friendly air base benefit from +1 to their combat value, and add +1 to their die roll when calculating damage during a strategic attack
Both options limit the potent firepower of the bomber to turns only when it starts at an airbase. Indeed making them vital.Honestly, I prefer option B, and a rule for “night bombing” should be looked into.
Escorts/Interceptors rule suspended during attack, AA fires normally, bombers suffer -2 penalty to roll
(I had mentioned this to Larry before and he seemed interested)I prefer B also because it doesn’t affect too much the StB capacity. And still create an incentive to buy AB to get SBR and better offensive punch.
For the discussion about night, I’m open on it.
Maybe just -2, minimum 1. Become -1 when launch from an Airbase.
Why don’t let StB SBR IC at D6+1 damage, as regular?
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Night/day operations seems a bit much.
I like both options(except price for both needs to be 12)
Option B is less drastic and a tad simpler.
Il post option B when I get a chance.
This to go along with where we are at with fighters and tacs really pushes a nation to have all 3 units, and would almost eliminate spamming of any or unit
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Updated OP:
Added the new strat bomber
Added a new one…Home Guard (Garrisons)Home Guard/Garrisons. (homeguard/volksturm/partisans/militia/headhunters,etc)
Anytime a land territory is attacked, one die is rolled for its Home Guard defense in addition to the dice for any units occupying it. This die is rolled for every round the battle continues. Home Guard will never roll more than 1 dice per round of combat. A Home Guard will never extend a battle (Once the defending units are destroyed the battle is over) An empty territory would roll 1 dice before falling to the enemy, in the case where 1 unit is attacking and that unit dies to the Home Guard, the territory does not change ownership. Home Guards do not stop a blitz, but if a lone tank attempts to blitz through an empty territory and the Home Guard hits, the tank fails to take the territory; it dies right there and does not proceed into the second territory. If a tank blitz is accompanied by at least 1 other tank or mechanized infantry and the Home Guard hits, then the territory is taken but one of the mobile units dies and the remaining units continue the blitz.
Home Guard die roll is determined by the IPC value of the territory.
Use the following chart to determine the Home Guard’s defense die:
0-2IPC territories - @1
3-5IPC territories - @2
6+IPC territories - @3Why don’t let StB SBR IC at D6+1 damage, as regular?
And 6D+2 with AB bonus?Because it just adds unnecessary confusion.
And there is no need for any bonus without airbase, tac bombers no longer SBR.
Likewise the AB bonus for SBR and attack needs to be uniform (either +1 or +2 for both)
At +1 is it both less drastic for bombers without an AB, and it is +1 from AB for everything (range, SBR and attack)
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I also have another one that needs review.
Strategic movement/Rail movement
During the noncombat phase, all friendly victory cities give +1 movement to all land units who were in that territory at the beginning of the turn.Simple way to add a type of rail system, that is not too powerfull/game changing
Increases the importance of VCs (Right now they only matter for victory conditions)
Speeds up the game
Might see more inf/art purchases and less mech (right now it is mech spam for Germany in many games)Could allow SBR of victory cities, VCs work similar to bases in regards to SBR
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@Uncrustable:
Why don’t let StB SBR IC at D6+1 damage, as regular?
And 6D+2 with AB bonus?Because it just adds unnecessary confusion.
And there is no need for any bonus without airbase, tac bombers no longer SBR.
Likewise the AB bonus for SBR and attack needs to be uniform (either +1 or +2 for both)
At +1 is it both less drastic for bombers without an AB, and it is +1 from AB for everything (range, SBR and attack)
Making it simpler to implement/keep track of in game.I agree with you on this point: all +1 everywhere is good.
What about the +D1 bonus for Fg from AB?
Why just not limit it to only three Fgs, like the scramble in an adjacent SZ OOB rule?So you really erase the Tactical Bombing raid vs NB and AB?
Why not keeping it, even at an half rate damage, like 1D3 / 1D2?
Because that rule about no TacBR is not historical, for sure.
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What about the +D1 bonus for Fg from AB?
Why just not limit it to only three Fgs, like the scramble in an adjacent SZ OOB rule?Yes the +D1 is still there, i see no need to limit it. Wouldnt even be very often where there would be that many more fighters than 3.
And it makes confusion, for little reason. You would have fighters in the same battle rolling different dice.
And hinders fighters a little (balance is good right now)So you really erase the Tactical Bombing raid vs NB and AB?
Why not keeping it, even at an half rate damage, like 1D3 / 1D2?
Because that rule about no TacBR is not historical, for sure.
Pearl Harbour was attack by TcB not StB and it was a naval base and air base.Yes tactical bombers no longer SBR anything, bases or IC. (they would be too powerful)
It may not be perfect historical realism (not the only case in this game imo)…
But it gives each air unit a very distinctive role in the game, each are important…1-Fighters are needed to protect friendly bombers from enemy air (fodder/escort SBR) and friendly facilities from SBR (intercept SBR).
-Fighters are also needed to vie for air dominance. (air supremacy bonus for tacs and taking out enemy air)
2-Tactical bombers are the meat of the air so to speak, they need fighters (protection + air supremacy bonus), but they are the best at destroying enemy units.
3-Strategic bombers are long range heavy hitters on offense, and can SBR. But they need both fighters and airbases to perform efficiently. Next to worthless on defense.All these rules, taken along with 12IPC bases, will greatly increase the use/importance of airbases.
There is much historical realism here.
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Here are some tech ideas to work with. Quite a bit to digest though.
Research dice cost 5 IPCs
Roll and consult the following chart:
6: Breakthrough Point
2-5: Tech Token
1: Research failsTokens are saved for next turn and award a free research roll.
The player now allocates any breakthrough points they earned in the following manner:For each breakthrough you earned, you must allocate it to a tech tree, Land, Air, Naval or Economic. Then select a Tier. You must already have at least one tech in the tier below to allocate breakthrough points to a tier above.
If you allocated 1 breakthrough point in a tier, roll a die; on 1-3 you are awarded the first tech, on 4-6 you are awarded the second tech.
If you allocate 2 breakthrough points to a tier you receive both techsLand Technology:
Tier #1
• Paratroopers - Friendly airbases may now launch up to two of your infantry up to three spaces as a combat move, the territory must also be under attack by either your land forces or amphibious forces
• Mobile Warfare Doctrine- Your Mechanized infantry attack at ‘2’ when paired with a TankTier #2
• Tank Destroyers - During combat, rolls of ‘1’ to hit with your tanks may be assigned to enemy tanks by you.
• Prepared Defenses- Artillery defend on 3 during the first round of combat, and also defend at 3 during all rounds during amphibious invasionsTier #3
• Heavy Tanks - Tanks attack at ‘4’ on the first round of combat
• Panzerfaust/Bazookas - For each two attacking enemy tanks, one of your infantry defends at ‘3’.Tier #4: Future Tech
• Composite Armor - Tanks defend on a ‘4’, but now cost 7 IPCs
• Assault Rifles - Half your infantry in combat attack at ‘2’ (round down)Sea Technology:
Tier #1
• Improved Depth Charges - Your destroyers attack on ‘3’ for each enemy sub present
• Cruiser Flak Guns: If your Cruisers roll a one during combat, the hit may be allocated against an enemy air unit.Tier #2
• Sonar - Cruisers gain all ASW abilities
• Super Subs- Your subs now attack at 3 and defend at 2Tier #3
• Improved Carriers - Your Carriers can now hold one plane when damaged.
• Super Battleships - Your Battleships attack and defend at ‘5’ on the first roundTier #4: Future Tech
• Nuclear Reactors - Carriers and Battleships may repair without the need for a port, during the purchase units and repair phase.
• Super Carriers - Your carriers can now hold three planes and defend at ‘3’.Air Technology:
Tier #1
• Drop-Tanks - Fighters have +2 movement when only while escorting bombers
• Long Rang Aircraft- All aircraft move one extra spaceTier #2
• Strategic Rockets- Your Airbases now serve as rocket launchers. During the strategic bombing raid step of your Conduct Combat phase each turn, each of your airbases may make a single rocket attack against an enemy industrial complex within 3 spaces of it. The attack deals one die roll of damage.
• Airborne Rockets - Tactical bombers may attack industrial complexes.Tier #3
• Advanced Bomb Sights - Your bombers may reroll misses during the first round, and may reroll their damage die during strategic attacks
• Torpedo/Dive Bombers- Tactical bombers may assign their hit if they roll a ‘1’ in combat.Tier #4: Future Tech
• Jet Fighters - The attack value of your fighters is now 4 and defense is now 5. During dogfights they hit on ‘3’ or less
• Guided Missiles - Rolls of a 1 to hit with fighters may be allocated as a casualty on an enemy air unit or tank if available.Production Technology:
Tier #1
• War Bonds- Collect three IPCs for each victory city you control
• Lend Lease- You may choose a friendly power and they get a free Artillery in one of their original territories that does not border enemy controlled territory.Tier #2
• Hardened factories- 2 Points of Strategic bombing damage is repaired for every 1 IPC spent to do so.
• Radar - Your AA guns hit on ‘2’ or lessTier #3
• Shipyards - subs, transports, destroyers cost one less IPC, all other ships cost two less IPC.
• Mass production - If you buy two land or air units, then the third is half price. (excluding infantry)Tier #4: Future Tech
• Academic Grants - You get a free breakthrough every turn
• Atomic Bomb - (Prerequisite - at least 2 Techs from each tech tree) One of your bombers may make a strategic attack and roll four dice for damage, and allocate the damage as you wish across any and all facilities in the territory. -
Research dice cost 5 IPCs
Roll and consult the following chart:
6: Breakthrough Point
2-5: Tech Token
1: Research failsTokens are saved for next turn and award a free research roll.
The player now allocates any breakthrough points they earned in the following manner:For each breakthrough you earned, you must allocate it to a tech tree, Land, Air, Naval or Economic.
I like all of this,
I came across a technology chart for G40 some time ago, tweaked it a hair, and played many games with it and loved it.
The concept is near exact same as what you just proposed oztea.
However the 4 different tech categories (Land, Air, Naval, Economic) have different cost. Im not at home cant remember exact. Think they were 4, 6, 8 and 10 (something close to that)
A nation purchased tech tokens and placed them in the category they wish.
Each turn said nation rolls for each token in all categories it has a token in.
A 6 is a breakthrough (can add a 1 rolled is token lost), roll to see what tech you get (within that category)
Once you get a tech within a category, all other tokens in that category are removed.
A nation can never get more than 1 breakthrough in a single category per turn.
Other categories are not effected by success/failures in another category.It also gave each nation 1 token to start the game, and i beleive USA, UK, Germany and Japan each received 2 free tokens.
Il be home this weekend, possibly sooner and im going to be digging out the chart.
12-16 techs also seems a good number, split into 4 categories.
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I think the tech post you saw may have been mine.
Rolls cost 2 x tier level
So tier 1 techs cost 2, tier 2 techs cost 4, tier 3 cost 6, tier 4 cost 8
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Also, what exactly is the reason for unsplitting the UK economy?
If you keep that rule, then you can have the commonwealth power have a split economy (two capitals) Sydney and Ottawa, which is a lot better than Australia getting all the Canadian money an spending it in the Pacific
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Home Guard:
* I’d say territories worth 0 or 1 IPC are too impoverished to have an organized resistance of any worth. (besides, I think this would make people give up on playing the entire board)
* Territories worth 2-4 IPC could be 1@1
* W. USA and C. USA (which I think are the only territories on the board worth more than 4 IPC but are not capitols) could be 1@2.
* National capitols (ie territories where you surrender your treasury if captured) could be 2@1.As for tiers, not sure I like the future techs, personally…but as for tier tech costs I think the prices are too low.
T1: 4 IPC
T2: 6 IPC
T3: 8 IPC
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Also, what exactly is the reason for unsplitting the UK economy?
If you keep that rule, then you can have the commonwealth power have a split economy (two capitals) Sydney and Ottawa, which is a lot better than Australia getting all the Canadian money an spending it in the Pacific
Uk loses 10 IPC, but is no longer split. Now UK must make decisions on where it spends its money (IC in india is minor now)
-This should reduce allied bids a little.
The Common Wealth Dominion now is a 20 IPC nation, meaning ANZAC is so much more playably/enjoyable. No longer just an afterthough, they can spend in Africa, the Pacific or the Atlantic.
-This also should reduce allied bids a little.I prefer the 4 player version anyhow. What do you think of it?
Allies and Russia vs European Axis and Japan Empire
Allies and European Axis move, conduct combat and research as one power, but incomes are tracked separately (similar to how UK is treated OOB) for each as follows:
Allies. USA + UK + France + China + Common Wealth Dominion (ANZAC, SAfrica, SWAfrica, Canada)
All South American gains go to USA.
All Pacific islands gained go to USA, with the exception of all the Dutch islands and New guinea. (both to UK)
All other gains go to UK (UK income is no longer divided between Europe and Pacific)
Movement restrictions for China does not change from OOBEuropean Axis. Germany + Italy
All African gains go to Italy.
All other gains go to Germany.Turn order:
European Axis
Russia
Japan
AlliesMap setup: India IC reduced to minor.
Obviously some NOs and political rules would need adjusted.
Home Guard:
- I’d say territories worth 0 or 1 IPC are too impoverished to have an organized resistance of any worth. (besides, I think this would make people give up on playing the entire board)
- Territories worth 2-4 IPC could be 1@1
- W. USA and C. USA (which I think are the only territories on the board worth more than 4 IPC but are not capitols) could be 1@2.
- National capitols (ie territories where you surrender your treasury if captured) could be 2@1.
You are probably right on 0 or 1 IPC lands, but they only hit on a 1.
The big ones (UK, USA, Japan) hit on a 3 or less.
While territories such as Germany and Russia and Italy hit on a 2 or less.Pretty much the point of this was to reduce cheese. 1 or 2 INF just marching around taking everything, or tanks taking a territory then moving back. It gives more thought to this.
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