I did mention that WE do it too. But in Clintions case he did bring alot of his own misery along with his own actions.
The Republican play book involves a major grass roots effort to win the seats of key opposition members.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/SD/S/01/index.html
I think what he has done is what both sides have been doing for a long time. EIther way, if convicted I hope that the right does not start some kind of belly aching “it was a witch hunt” kind of nonsense. I have gotten so sick of the “victemhood” the left preaches that I can’t stand to see it in the republican party. Because 2000 was close, now every election that a dem does not become president it is because of voter fraud.
2 points about dems in 2000,
Gore knew that the majority of people who were too stupid to know how to punch a hole in a ballot had to be his.
Bush knew that the vast majority of oversea ballots from our soldiers had to be his.
I think that says it all.
Bush knew that the vast majority of oversea ballots from our soldiers had to be his.
i think that if i were going to cater to any group of people, they would vote for me as well.
If you can’t beat them fair and by arguments, denounce them …. that is exactly what Rove does,
dems do that too, dont pretend like its unique to rove
If you can’t beat them fair and by arguments, denounce them …. that is exactly what Rove does,
dems do that too, dont pretend like its unique to rove
Rove has taken it to an art-form (i.e. McCain in the primaries and the hatchet-job the Swift Boat vets did on Kerry). If there is any justice in the world, Rove will be indicted for leaking Plume’s name. I have wet dreams about Bush getting caught ordering the leak and resigning in disgrace. Tapes and all.
Rove has taken it to an art-form
so hes bad because he is good at it?
If there is any justice in the world, Rove will be indicted for leaking Plume’s name.
if hes truly guilty of that, than i agree
I have wet dreams about Bush getting caught ordering the leak and resigning in disgrace. Tapes and all.
can girls have wet dreams?
I have wet dreams about Bush getting caught ordering the leak and resigning in disgrace. Tapes and all.
can girls have wet dreams?
Lol, I needed a metaphor a wargaming community could understand ;)
Rove has taken it to an art-form
so hes bad because he is good at it?
He’s very good at underhanded techniques to destory political opponents. This is good or bad depending on your viewpoint. Generally, I think that insuinating that your opponent has an illegitimate child through push-polling (as what happened to McCain) is despicable, but others might applaud his imagination.
He’s very good at underhanded techniques to destory political opponents. This is good or bad depending on your viewpoint. Generally, I think that insuinating that your opponent has an illegitimate child through push-polling (as what happened to McCain) is despicable, but others might applaud his imagination.
well, i dislike mudslinging and dirty politics too, but its pragmatism, and hes damn good at being practical and effective. most politicians, for all their rhetoric, will use underhanded tactics if they help them, and the dems are just jealous because Rove is so good at it. im not saying that the allegations about valerie plame are false, and if they are true, he should be punished, but the dems HAVE been out for his blood since day one, so lets not pretend like they have entirely clean hands either.
i mean, look at kerry. invoking cheneys daughter was just dirty. it may have crossed the line as far as usefullness goes, because of the reaction, even by many dems. but it was the same tactic
@F_alk:
Gore knew that the majority of people who were too stupid to know how to punch a hole in a ballot had to be his.
The worst part of the last elections here was that the right started to show a similarily “democratic” conscious about their “enemies”.
If you can’t beat them fair and by arguments, denounce them …. that is exactly what Rove does, and not the “grass roots movement” that Linkon talked of (i hope it is not)
This is not an argument, I stated 2 facts. The military, the people who have taken it opon themselves to protect this country (reguardless of whatever war they are in, many I am sure thought somalia and serbia were not wars we should be in, but they fought anyway). They have charachter.
Gore knew a recount of the “intelectualy challegened” of the state would show that people who could not master the art of punching a hole in a card would be people who voted for him.
As far as not being able to beat them in an argument. I have a college degree, I think I can support my reason for voting the way I do a lot better than the people of florida who just could not figure out that darn tricky punch card! They sure are confusing aren’t they?
I’m not saying there aren’t idiots on the right, but at least our idiots know how to vote.
The left loves to make themselves out as victems, maybe they should start a support group for the punch card challenged. Or maybe have some classes down there comeplete with cards and punchers. They can get a little certificate after compeltion of the class. Probably the best thing people that stupid could put on a resume.
Ahh, so Bush got the “intellectual” vote, eh? A lot of things come to mind when you mention the South. Genius is not one of them.
you should take your sig a too heart a little bit more than you do
you should take your sig a too heart a little bit more than you do
What, you can’t love stupid people? Anyway, Bush got the fundamentalist Christian vote, which has always puzzled me.
1, Christians should be pacifists, and I can’t understand how they can vote for a fellow Christian who invaded a nation and killed tens of thousands of innocent people. That’s a big no-no, according to everything Jesus teaches. And 2, fundamentalists of any religion aren’t exactly the best critical thinkers in the world. My in-laws are almost all Mormon and almost as a rule you can’t talk to them critically about their religion. You get the intellectual euquivalent of putting hands over ears and saying “nanananana”
I have wet dreams about Bush getting caught ordering the leak and resigning in disgrace. Tapes and all.
and 3, Christians shouldnt wish harm or misery on their neighbors, and you are saying here that you would revel in Bush’s disgrace.
I have wet dreams about Bush getting caught ordering the leak and resigning in disgrace. Tapes and all.
and 3, Christians shouldnt wish harm or misery on their neighbors, and you are saying here that you would revel in Bush’s disgrace.
That’s true, but I’m only human. And are you trying to tell me that you won’t feel just a little guilty pleasure when Hussein is found guility and most likely executed for crimes against humanity?
im not a christian, im an atheist. i have no guiding moral principles that i am supposed to follow
im not a christian, im an atheist. i have no guiding moral principles that i am supposed to follow
Just because you’re an atheist doesn’t mean you’re a nihilist. Plenty of atheists have a moral standard they try to live up to (Kant tried to ground morality in pure reason, and in metaethics, there is the belief that the truths of morality are like the truths of mathematics). Are you saying the only thing stopping you from robbing a bank or murdering someone for profit is the fear of getting caught?
@F_alk:
This is not an argument, I stated 2 facts.
How do you know what another person knows? Psychic?
The other part of your sentence … i must believe that as you seem to be part of the group that voted for Gore.… “intelectualy challegened” … I have a college degree… victems … comeplete … compeltion
Gore “found” votes when they did the recount of people too stupid to use a punch card. That is how I know. And how you know as well (look, I started a sentence with “and”… my grammar is horrible… focus on that since you can’t dispute the facts of what I am saying. I post on a forum for entertainment, I don’t spell or grammar check. But since you KNOW I am right, you focus on spelling. Well, “F_alk” it seems you don’t know how to spell falk correctly. Get the point?)
And I never said Bush got the intelectual vote. I live in TN, we are as red as it gets, and there are plenty of people down here that can’t find thier ass with both hands. Is it expliotive, yes… But I have seen equaly exploitive things on the left. I lived most of my life in IL. and have worked with/known quite a few black people. The left exploits the “victemhood” of minorities for votes. When I was working in a call center, all but a handfull of black people seriously thought that the government made AIDS to kill off black people. I see Ferakawn (not even gonig to attempt to spell that - you know who I mean) telling people that the government blew up the levees during katrina. And that is the more rational stuff.
I’ll go toe to toe with you on the gospel marry, I know it. I never claimed to be a christian because there is a big difference between following christ and going to church. I have learned a lot from the Gospel, I don’t follow it comepletely… but it does offer wisdom. But before you start “throwing stones” at the christians, you don’t follow the gospel Komepletely (OMG, A SPELLING ERROR!!! MY ARGUMENT IS RUINED!) either. Jesus said that if you want to be perfect that you should give away everything you own and follow him. You have to be on a computer to post on forums… so I am assuming you still have stuff.
I will go so far as to say the left probably is closer to what Jesus preached than the right. Welfare - give things away. Illegal Aliens - give things away. Don’t defend yourself - turn the other cheek. The welfare state means an impovrished lifestyle, and that is what Jesus preached. I think the right has the abortion issue on its side… but that’s about it.
Although I respect christ and his teachings, I am not going to take it on faith that I am going to be fed, clothed and housed from god just because God loves me more than a bird (if you know the gospel, you know what I am talking about).
Just because you’re an atheist doesn’t mean you’re a nihilist. Plenty of atheists have a moral standard they try to live up to (Kant tried to ground morality in pure reason, and in metaethics, there is the belief that the truths of morality are like the truths of mathematics). Are you saying the only thing stopping you from robbing a bank or murdering someone for profit is the fear of getting caught?
not necessarily. i have morals, but they are not christian morals. and im a moral relativist, so i have my own sense of right and wrong, not one based on religion, or some “natural law”. as to kant, i dont subscribe to his belief.
