who speaks latin, and where?
There is a difference between I am able to speak Latin (possum vocere Latinum) and I speak Latin with my homies on the weekend (voco Latinum cum hominius)
Touche’
However, there are societies (cults, gangs, clubs, whatever you call them) that do speak latin at meetings however. So technically, it isn’t a dead language….but it’s most assuredly not a primary language for anyone.
So why do you think many languages hail from Latin? I’m thinking it might be because of the church myself. For a long time all services were held in latin and that may have unduly influenced the development of many languages.
Any other ideas?
So technically, it isn’t a dead language….
actually, technically, it is. there are no native speakers is sufficient, and necessary, for it to be considered a dead language.
also, while there are some who speak the language, there exist no native speaking communities, which would cause change and evolution of the language, as naturally happens with living languages.
also, while there are some who speak the language, there exist no native speaking communities, which would cause change and evolution of the language, as naturally happens with living languages.
That might change the moment the catholic church declares the celibate as obsolete :) …. and the Vatican is changing the language. There are latin words for car, TV etc etc.
So why do you think many languages hail from Latin? I’m thinking it might be because of the church myself. For a long time all services were held in latin and that may have unduly influenced the development of many languages.
Any other ideas?
Roman Empire.
It turned christian quite after it had conquered “the world” and even then there was the conflict between the greek and the roman part of the church.
It’s not the church, but the empire.
So why do you think many languages hail from Latin?
Spanish - Directly from Rome
French - Directly from Rome
Italian - Directly from Rome
Portugeese - Directly from Rome
English - German in structure w/ French/Latin vocabulary
Modern Greek - Some Latin influences (Eastern Empire didn’t speak Greek entirely for a few hundred years)
So why do you think many languages hail from Latin?
Spanish - Directly from Rome
French - Directly from Rome
Italian - Directly from Rome
Portugeese - Directly from Rome
English - German in structure w/ French/Latin vocabulary
Modern Greek - Some Latin influences (Eastern Empire didn’t speak Greek entirely for a few hundred years)
But Yanny
You forgot about Mexican, Macau-an, Brazillian, Peruvian . . . . :P
And Canadian : )
So technically, it isn’t a dead language….
actually, technically, it is. there are no native speakers is sufficient, and necessary, for it to be considered a dead language.
also, while there are some who speak the language, there exist no native speaking communities, which would cause change and evolution of the language, as naturally happens with living languages.
Gotcha. I thought dead language meant no one spoke it on a regular basis. I was not aware it meant that there were no native speakers of the language.
@F_alk:
So why do you think many languages hail from Latin? I’m thinking it might be because of the church myself. For a long time all services were held in latin and that may have unduly influenced the development of many languages.
Any other ideas?
Roman Empire.
It turned christian quite after it had conquered “the world” and even then there was the conflict between the greek and the roman part of the church.
It’s not the church, but the empire.
Interesting thought process. I can’t argue with that too much, but I’d like to inject a thought for contemplation which is:
After the Roman Empire(s) fell, the church maintained the religion and practice which may have stymied independant developments of languages a little. At least until writters began writting the Bible in native tongues.
And American! You can’t forget that, since those silly Brits refuse to convert to our style of English. :) (Humor!!!)
After the Roman Empire(s) fell, the church maintained the religion and practice which may have stymied independant developments of languages a little. At least until writters began writting the Bible in native tongues.
I don’t think that the language of the “intellectuals” had too much influence on the people. Remember, that even many low-level priests were not able to speak latin and thus to understand what they actually “preached”.
Also, you should check when the bible was translated into native tongues. Greek is a native tongue and the language of earlier bible versions. There was a gothic version, even during the last west roman days.
I think you make the mistake of first saying “all christianity is latin”, and of overestimating the influence of a very few in a very feudal and class-aware society like it was in the Dark Ages.
@F_alk:
After the Roman Empire(s) fell, the church maintained the religion and practice which may have stymied independant developments of languages a little. At least until writters began writting the Bible in native tongues.
I don’t think that the language of the “intellectuals” had too much influence on the people. Remember, that even many low-level priests were not able to speak latin and thus to understand what they actually “preached”.
Also, you should check when the bible was translated into native tongues. Greek is a native tongue and the language of earlier bible versions. There was a gothic version, even during the last west roman days.
I think you make the mistake of first saying “all christianity is latin”, and of overestimating the influence of a very few in a very feudal and class-aware society like it was in the Dark Ages.
Perhaps. I’ll have to look into it later a bit more.
@marine36:
i took three years of Latin, and didnt learn squat, so in my opinion, its a dead language. :)
This from my fav brain dead Marine!
Who loves ya, m36!?! :)
Hoo-hah!
Any questions? See the capitalized word at the end of my first sentence above.
@El:
@marine36:
i took three years of Latin, and didnt learn squat, so in my opinion, its a dead language. :)
This from my fav brain dead Marine!
Who loves ya, m36!?! :)
Hoo-hah!
Any questions? See the capitalized word at the end of my first sentence above.
HUA, not Hoo-hah, not how-you, just HUA. It’s really an acronym that means “Head-Up-Arse” wink Guess I shouldn’t poke fun at the doggies anymore, now that I’m going to be one, but I just can’t help myself!
HUA, not Hoo-hah
Hmmm …. i really wonder about your priorities. You know and care about this, but keep mispelling Annan and others’ names (most often when there is an “a” as second vowel, which you replace by an “o”).
I find that scary.
This is way off the subject, but I can’t resist.
Marines - Oo-rah
Army - Hoo-ah
Navy - Hoo-ya
AirForce - Hey, what’s up? or yeah or I Understand or alot of other things ;)
It’s not an acronym for anything, militaries have always had sayings similar to these. In colonial times it was Hu-zah… It’s a grunt thing if you don’t get it, you aren’t meant to…
Really Dzert? Ive always said Hoo-rah. :)
@marine36:
Really Dzert? Ive always said Hoo-rah. :)
It’s OOH RAH, ya boot.
wow, cant believe i never picked that up. :-o
its ooo-rah! well it was in my company anyways. We had one guy that had singing lessons at some point in his civy life. you could make ooo-rah last for 2 3/4 min. He used to yell it out of loud speakers when we were driving through small desert holes. fun times!!! God i miss the corps, i think i might go back in for another 4, anybody else miss it?
