Govt. Response to Katrina

[Jennifer]

@DarthMaximus:

BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…

That wouldn’t surprise me, since the Daley Machine has been in control of Chicago forever. The curroption in Chicago is rampent. I believe even Blagovich is having trouble now.

It wouldnt surprise me at all. Chicago has some of the worst traffic in the world and to make matters worse, all the expressways in our beloved city are always under construction further screwing up the traffic situation.

I don’t think it’s Daley’s fault, in that even he can’t keep this city working properly.

[Jennifer]

CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.

The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.

You’ll be happy to know that if things continue as they have so far, Chicago this year should have the fewest number of homicides since 1967, when 552 people were murdered in our city. According to Police Supt. Phil Cline, there were 560 homicides through November

http://chicago.about.com/b/a/2003_12_23.htm

Nov-04 137 (Iraq War Casualties)

http://icasualties.org/oif/USchart.aspx

Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!

BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.

Also, the funds for the levvies were there BEFORE the hurricane. Billions and billions of dollars stolen from the people of New Orleans to fix the levvies (after the 70’s when the Army Corps of Engineers told them their levvies were insufficient) that cannot be found now. You know what they say, put a democrat in charge of money and you’ll never see it again!

[haxorboy]

@Jennifer:

@stuka:

@Jennifer:

New Orleans had plenty of money to rebuilt the levvies properly, they didn’t need FEMA’s cash, they never did…well, if their government wouldnt have embezzelled it all they wouldn’t have.

And where did you find out that they had this magical money all along, Jen? I am begging you, Jen.

BTW, I read in a very important journal that the Chicago area has the worst reaction time for any emergency. Hmmm…

I found out from Neil Schmidt who was a resident of New Orleans and had been paying that tax for well over 12 years by the time the hurricane hit. Based on what he paid percentage wise and then applying that to the total population at the average income for the area, you can figure out easily that they had millions if not billions “set aside” to fix the levvies up proper and evacuate the city.

Well Bob Smith who lived in Texas his whole life and ate eggs there told me Bush was a thief and never registered with selective service, so that must be true.

[cystic crypt]

@Jennifer:

CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.

The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.

i can’t stand it anymore.

I nearly wish to resign just so that i can forget about “setting a good example” and say the kinds of things that i’ve had to delete.

Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!

yes, you’re right. :roll: you can compare the number of US army deaths in the entirety of Iraq and compare that to the number of homicides in Chicago and affirm that you made the country a better place.
Whatever. I’m sure that the kind of people who buy this are the kind of people who were thinking it anyway.

BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.

and this is applicable to the number of US solders killed in Iraq somehow as proof that the world is a better place.
well done you debating master.

[Jennifer]

@cystic:

@Jennifer:

CC: I discounted your article as either fiction or misinformation by the intelligensia elitists. Quiet frankly, that would have been all over every newspaper world wide followed by hundreds of investigators pulling MPs out of Gitmo and Iraq and putting them in jail. As none of that happened, obviously your “peer reviewed” crap is just more yellow journalism.

The ONLY facts I’ve seen, documented in actual photographs, are puppies, bacon, Quran’s on televisions and nudity. Thus, that’s all that’s happened.

i can’t stand it anymore.

I nearly wish to resign just so that i can forget about “setting a good example” and say the kinds of things that i’ve had to delete.

Yup, it’s just SO much safer here in the United States then in Iraq…such a HORRIBLE place to live…you’re right. Cause there wern’t 5 times as many people killed by handguns in Chicago then in Baghdad! Oh my lord, how could I have been SO wrong!!! 560 homicides is SOOO much better then 137 KIA. Sheesh. You know, CC, when you’re wrong, you’re REALLY wrong!

yes, you’re right. :roll: you can compare the number of US army deaths in the entirety of Iraq and compare that to the number of homicides in Chicago and affirm that you made the country a better place.
Whatever. I’m sure that the kind of people who buy this are the kind of people who were thinking it anyway.

BTW, that’s only homicides. That isn’t including freezing to death, heat stroke, old age, disease, illiness, car accidents, etc. Just homicides. If you add in all deaths, we’re probably talking thousands a month every month, every year that die in Chicago.

and this is applicable to the number of US solders killed in Iraq somehow as proof that the world is a better place.
well done you debating master.

No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.

[cystic crypt]

@Jennifer:

No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.

proove i did this.
Proove it or i’m once again using the “liar liar pants on fire” argument.

[Jennifer]

@cystic:

@Jennifer:

No, you accused me of not knowing what I was talking about when I said it was more dangerous to live in Chicago then be a US Soldier in Iraq. Again, I had to prove you wrong.

proove i did this.
Proove it or i’m once again using the “liar liar pants on fire” argument.

@cystic:

again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.

This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.

A more detailed search of posts over the last 3 days would most assuredly turn up 3-5 more such posts from you - unless you’ve deleted them or editted your comments that is. I know MY posts and comments have been edited by someone other then myself as I’ve seen them on my screen, hit the refresh button and they’re different or missing. Not that I’m blaming you specifically, it could be a hacker or a different moderator……

You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.

[cystic crypt]

@Jennifer:

@cystic:

again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.

This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.

You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.

Again you lied, and you used quotes to prove it. Bizaare.
Also - insulting me does not make you look smarter.

(note: i did not tell you that Chicago was safer - i said that comparing these numbers was inappropriate paricularly when it comes to justifying an invasion. Completely different. Stop fricken’ lying about me. In fact - don’t make further reference about me, and i won’t reference you. Aside from defending myself i am boycotting further discussion with you.)

[Jennifer]

@cystic:

@Jennifer:

@cystic:

again a terrible analogy.
So the fact that only a few US solders died relative to other stupid wars justifies the invasion? I suppose these people would have died in the US if they were not killing Iraqis . . . in Chicago?? Really - you are so all over the map with your non-sequitors and fried logic.

This is but ONE time you tried to tell me that Chicago was safer. There are other times when I specifically said that the highways in Chicago are more dangerous then being a US soldier in Iraq where you told me to prove up and I did.

You really have a short memory, for a doctor. maybe you arn’t getting enough sleep?? You really should go see someone about that, it could be a mental disorder.

Again you lied, and you used quotes to prove it. Bizaare.
Also - insulting me does not make you look smarter.

(note: i did not tell you that Chicago was safer - i said that comparing these numbers was inappropriate paricularly when it comes to justifying an invasion. Completely different. Stop fricken’ lying about me. In fact - don’t make further reference about me, and i won’t reference you. Aside from defending myself i am boycotting further discussion with you.)

YES! I might have an intelligent discussion without your inanitites interfering again!

As I said, that was but ONE instance of you saying I was wrong when I was clearly correct in referrencing the two.

For instance, there is a clear correllation between the two:

Street Gangs in Chicago = Insurgents in Iraq
Accidents in Chicago = Accidents in Iraq
Heatstroke/Freezing in Chicago = Heatstroke/Freezing in Iraq
Disease/Illness in Chicago = Disease/Illness in Iraq

It’s all the same. Same types of deaths, everything is the same! You just wish them to be different because it clearly shows that life in our country on any given day is MORE dangerous then dealing with a couple rag-tag terrorists in Iraq.

[haxorboy]

So should we invade the Windy City then? It almost seems you are making a good reason for it…and with your stating most of the nation guard from Illinois and Kentucky are deployed already in the beach resort that is Iraq then it should be a push over…

This was sarcasm…I still can’t believe you are really trying to show that the City with Too Many Nicknames is just the same as the peace keeping mission/conflict/war/not a war that is Iraq…

[Jennifer]

@haxorboy:

So should we invade the Windy City then? It almost seems you are making a good reason for it…and with your stating most of the nation guard from Illinois and Kentucky are deployed already in the beach resort that is Iraq then it should be a push over…

This was sarcasm…I still can’t believe you are really trying to show that the City with Too Many Nicknames is just the same as the peace keeping mission/conflict/war/not a war that is Iraq…

No, the beach resort is Gitmo.

And yes, we most assuredly should send in the national guard to curtail the gang violence, racial violence and highway violence in the streets of Chicago. Furthermore, we should hold congressional hearings for Mayor Daley to investigate why this man allowed the city to fall to such dissarray.

See, this is why I think we should focus on the home front and not the foreigners. No offense, but screw em. We have our own problems here at home. If we fixed those, we’d be a shining utopia for the world to emulate instead of trying to fix the problems of others.

Also, please note, I’m only comparing the two in incidents of death rates. Iraq is much more democratic then Chicago, it’s a much nicer place to live (at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.) There’s a major problem here. And maybe, just maybe, the only solution is to invoke the Insurrection Act and quell the city by military force. Or maybe we could just fire the police and hire new ones from other states/cities so that we can clean up our streets.

However, whatever the solution is to Chicago’s problems, the fact remains that it is extremely more dangerous to walk the streets of Chicago at night then it is to walk the streets of Baghdad at night.

[haxorboy]

at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.

Instead you have roadside bombs instead of drive by’s, shoots all day and night and I haven’t heard it reported but I am sure there are plenty of women being treated poorly over there. And if you want to talk about a corrupt police force come on…

Since you won’t try to stop comparing the two I pose this question - if Iraq is such a walk in the park why do we still need troops over there? Hell it sounds like a vacation hot spot, should I start looking at group rates?

[Jennifer]

@haxorboy:

at least you don’t have drive by shootings every day in almost every neighborhood, or multiple rapes each night, or helpless policemen that would rather take bribes then stand up for the victims and arrest the criminals, etc.

Instead you have roadside bombs instead of drive by’s, shoots all day and night and I haven’t heard it reported but I am sure there are plenty of women being treated poorly over there. And if you want to talk about a corrupt police force come on…

Thank you for making my point. The streets of Iraq are very similar to the streets of Chicago, IL. The only real difference is that the number of deaths in Iraq are miniscule when compared to the number of deaths in Chicago, IL.

[haxorboy]

That’s settled, we will declare Iraq the new Mexico, and we will start the invasion of Chicago, which shall here by be known as “TERRORIST HARDCORE ESCAPE FROM CHICAGO DEATH CITY 2000”

For that matter let’s abandon Korea too and look at invading Detriot and DC as the crime rate in these two cities makes TERRORIST HARDCORE ESCAPE FROM CHICAGO DEATH CITY 2000 look like…well Newer Mexico.

[Jennifer]

@haxorboy:

That’s settled, we will declare Iraq the new Mexico, and we will start the invasion of Chicago, which shall here by be known as “TERRORIST HARDCORE ESCAPE FROM CHICAGO DEATH CITY 2000”

For that matter let’s abandon Korea too and look at invading Detriot and DC as the crime rate in these two cities makes TERRORIST HARDCORE ESCAPE FROM CHICAGO DEATH CITY 2000 look like…well Newer Mexico.

Please? No really! We need to send in the national guard to augment the police in these areas and clean up the streets! After all, this is allegedly a nation of free peoples in a technologically advanced situation and yet, a young woman of any race cannot walk the streets of Chicago at night alone and feel safe. There’s something tremendously wrong there!

As I’ve said, over and over and over and over again, in more threads then even a moderator could count iwth infinite time and resources available at his command; screw the world’s problems and fix the problems at home first! Once we have a perfect society, THEN, and only then, can we invade another nation and fix their society.

Now, I defend Iraq’s invasion primarily because of just how evil the dictator was there and because we’re there now anyway, so we may as well finish it, that, and there was nothing illegal with the invasion there, we were defending our servicemen, we were freeing an enslaved population and we were setting up a safe haven for democracy in the middle east. But that doesn’t mean that I would have preferred an invasion of Iraq with armed forces then an invasion of East LA with armed forces setting down martial law for a short time, arresting all violent offenders, associates of violent offenders and illegal aliens (those without permission from teh gov’t to be there) and then restoring order to the civilian authorities as we did (and are doing in parts still) of Iraq.

Obviously the police can’t handle it. Crime’s been on the rise in major cities for decades. Oh sure, in certain years it goes down, but the overall trend since the 50’s is up. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the gangs have better weapons then the police? What’s a berretta going to do against an AK-47? What’s a small kevlar vest going to do against a 7.62mm round? Maybe we need some Bradleys in there to take out the crackhouses, destroy the gangs and let the people, who want to live in nice neighborhoods and lead productive lives, free of the tyranny imposed upon them by a city government incapable of protecting them and gangs too strong to be resisted?

[El Jefe]

Okay!

Now that we all agree that the Mayor(Nagin) of Orleans was an idiot…
" 1500 Yella Buses? You mean them BIG yella hopscotch squares in the New Orleans Puddle?"…
“Orleans is bankrupt. So we gotta have 180,000 Orleaneans move back in the French Dime by this weekend so I kin have a paycheck by next week!”

And we know that the the Governor of LA is an incompetent twit…
“Emergency food and water for the Saints fans? They haven’t placed their orders yet!”

Plus, Senator ‘pretty little bottle blonde daughter of Orleans Gentry in her Christian Dior outfit’ Landrieu complained…
“President Bush didn’t help until after we didn’t do anything!”

Finally, we recognize that W made a small mistake…
“Karl, you mean I kin become a dictator, save all those Frenchyfied liberals, be a national hero agin, and the Democrats won’t be able to do more than snivel like they have every time I blow it and still come up smellin’ bett’ern they do?”

Maybe we’ve found a LA Congressman who can get something done…

http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/HurricaneKatrina/story?id=1123495&page=1

[Guest]

@Jennifer:

And for the record, we do have proof of Yellow Cake sales to Iraq (that would be nuclear fissionable material from Africa, capable of being turned into rudimentary nuclear bombs)… and rocket delivery systems that far exceeded the distance permitted by the UN resolutions

I guess you meant “no proof” for the yellow cake: that was shown to be fake even before the war started, and later admitted even by the US gov’t.
http://www.armscontrol.org/whatsnew/iraq-nigerchronology.asp

A question to the moderators: how should i (personally) call this contradiction between one person claiming one truth and several organisations claiming a different truth ?

“far exceeded”: Iraq was allowed rockets with a range of 150 km. The Al Samoud had a “potential range” of 180 km, all i found was that tested for “more than 150 km” but did not reach the 180 km.

[cystic crypt]

@F_alk:

A question to the moderators: how should i (personally) call this contradiction between one person claiming one truth and several organisations claiming a different truth ?

“irritating”

If you find that you are becoming continually irritated by this, then walk away from this particular discussion. You are not alone in your frustration, but this happens to us all at one time or another.
If you find this to be continually intolerable, then you may have to simply ignore her repeatedly. If you find you have to correct certain posts, then do so simply. I am finding that i have to try a different approach myself, or i may ruin a very nice LCD monitor.

[El Jefe]

Another attempt to return to the topic…

So Prez W was slow to respond to Katrina, eh?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/13/110122.shtml

Try that. Or are you already complaining about what you would call “a Right-Wing Conspiracy Source?”

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Facts is facts.

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FACT : Some peeeeople posting on this website have difficulty with boundaries…me, too, at times.

[Jennifer]

@El:

Another attempt to return to the topic…

So Prez W was slow to respond to Katrina, eh?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/9/13/110122.shtml

Try that. Or are you already complaining about what you would call “a Right-Wing Conspiracy Source?”

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Facts is facts.

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FACT : Some peeeeople posting on this website have difficulty with boundaries…me, too, at times.

They arn’t argueing this anymore probably because it’s been proved to the point even the media had to back off.

Could FEMA have gotten there sooner? maybe. With 20/20 hindsight we could have had all the materials needed onsite before the disaster ever struck. The levvies could have been reinforced as advised decades before they broke, the salvation army could have been allowed to bring the 50 tons of food and fresh water to NO and store it in the super dome like they wanted, the US Aircraft Carrier could have been dispatched days earlier then it was so it would be onsite within hours of the storm’s passing, etc.

However, even with all the planning that took place in NO before the storm, by men who probably meant the best, was destroyed by inactivity by those who either had no idea how to handle a crisis or worse, by men who desired to witness crisis first hand. And no, I’m not saying the mayor or governor wanted to see hundreds killed in an afternoon. But that doesn’t mean some of the inactivity wasn’t done purposely and maliciously either for personal gain or some hatred of some group or organization by another.

For instance, there are reports leaking out that explosive residue’s been found on the levvies. Not saying it’s true, but you have to wonder who’s propagating this story, what’s the cause of releasing this story and, if it’s true, why it was done? (Sometimes levvies are broken on purpose to save damage to civilizations, was this attmepted but done at the wrong place and/or wrong time? Was it malicious? Did it never happen it’s just the fantasy of a lunatic?)