XDAP Final… eh, i mean, Semifinal - Allweneedishank vs. TeamBoldDutch

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

i guess if there is any dispute about whether the buy can or cannot be altered if there are no dice thrown on the turn (the entire turn itself in my mind is a “noncom” including the buy) regardless in this case my initial buy was 13 inf.  For the future, let’s clarify completely that if there are no dice rolled on a turn, anything and everything about that turn may be changed, in fact the entire turn may be redone, as long as the other team has not rolled dice on the subsequent turn.

I’ll wait to talk to my partner to have an “official” opinion, but I have one question - why don’t you just mock up your turn in local mode on triplea before posting? It seems that would be a way to avoid having to post 3 or 4 different versions of your turn. You are correct that your purchases (and most of your moves) don’t affect my turn, but it is challenging to download a file to look at hours later, make plans (both specific to Japan and generally), then find out you have changed your mind about something.

[boldfresh]

hank, here’s the question.  would you rather have a map to look at that could possibly change later, or would you rather wait longer and have a FINAL map posted that cannot possibly change.  the thing is, we agreed at the start that we would allow noncom changes until the next player rolled.  the only thing here is it sounds like you were not thinking the buy could be changed, but i think you will agree that the buy is really no different than anything else in the turn since if no dice are rolled.

anyway, as i kept saying, since it has little to no effect on japan’s turn, i didn’t think you would be too bothered by a change.  i don’t think i will be changing from the last map i posted, but if i do, it is most likely going to be to go back to the original move (unlikely).  so now you have more information than you would have had if i had not posted two or three different moves.  :wink:  as allweneed loves to say, why ever turn down access to more information?

[boldfresh]

ok the chances that we will go back to the original map or something very close to it, are rising.  bottom line, doing that move involves a lot more coordination and in an attempt to keep the game moving and knowing i didn’t have the time to fully put it all together, i went with the more conservative move.  however, since we now have all day, i may go back to the original idea, which, as i said, has no real impact on japan.

so, for the time being, i’m giving you notice not to post japan until i have finalized the russian move, which will be sometime before 5 pm cst today.

cheers

[boldfresh]

COWard likes to play the game with zero changes
allowed to a map that has been posted.  except for
when he want to change something on his own map
of course.

but i, in general, allow unlimited changes until i roll dice.  i would rather have something to work from rather than just wait longer for a map to come in the first place.

[allweneedislove]

i dont think hank13 realized that no dice were rolled (combat or convoy).

we will talk when we are both done work, but i think he will be ok with it. maybe he realizes that no dice were rolled and still doesn’t like it, and if that is the case we will work something out.

i have no problem with the edits. and would advise you to make your edits now before hank13 posts his move and locks your turn in.

[boldfresh]

my post is coming very shortly.

[Gargantua]

Lock’em in Hank!

Lock’em in!!!

[boldfresh]

hahahaha

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Politics - Russians
            Russians takes Political Action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians
                Russians succeeds on action: Political Action Russians To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 13 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 bomber moved from Novgorod to 127 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in 127 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 1 transport
                Russians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 bomber moved from 127 Sea Zone to Russia
            5 infantry moved from Russia to Smolensk
            2 infantry moved from Belarus to Archangel
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Ukraine
            1 aaGun, 2 armour, 1 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Archangel
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Archangel
            1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Northwest Persia
                  Russians take Northwest Persia from Neutral_Allies
            1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            2 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Ukraine
            2 aaGuns moved from Rostov to Ukraine
            1 aaGun, 4 artilleries and 15 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Buryatia to Amur
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            10 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total

[boldfresh]

did hank post yet???  did i slip it in in time???  WHEW

[boldfresh]

here’s the deal guys.  this move is at risk - it can be changed but not if the time stamp of the post that changes it is later than the time stamp on the first MARTI email that goes out from Hank’s turn.

Tick Tock Tick Tock

[boldfresh]

this thing should now be locked in - unless i see some major flaw in my logic prior to hank’s roll!  i don’t think there’s a flaw.  but if there is, allweneed will find it.  :-P

[boldfresh]

@allweneedislove:

i dont think hank13 realized that no dice were rolled (combat or convoy).

we will talk when we are both done work, but i think he will be ok with it. maybe he realizes that no dice were rolled and still doesn’t like it, and if that is the case we will work something out.

i have no problem with the edits. and would advise you to make your edits now before hank13 posts his move and locks your turn in.

I agree convoy dice are dice that can lock in the move meaning no changes to noncoms ory buy even if no combat dice were rolled.  I would still allow it if I determined that you gained no real advantage from knowing the convoy dice, but at least the person wanting the edit must ask and be willing to accept a denial if convoy dice were rolled.

The way I see it - no changes to buy or combat moves after combat dice are rolled and no change to noncoms after convoy dice are rolled UNLESS the other team is asked and allows the change.

If there are no combat or convoy dice rolled the entire move can be redone as long as no dice from any subsequent power (from either side) have been rolled.  If any roll occurs then the question must be asked if a change can be made.  If no dice rolled then changes can be made without asking.

[boldfresh]

I think hank is more worried than usual about j3 and mayb a little shorter than usual… I dont blame him.

[boldfresh]

@allweneedislove:

i dont think hank13 realized that no dice were rolled (combat or convoy).

we will talk when we are both done work, but i think he will be ok with it. maybe he realizes that no dice were rolled and still doesn’t like it, and if that is the case we will work something out.

i have no problem with the edits. and would advise you to make your edits now before hank13 posts his move and locks your turn in.

if he does have a problem with the buy changing, remind him the buy in the first map was 13 inf.  so there cannot be any issue with the buy in this case, but let’s make sure we are 100% on the same page going forward.

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

if he does have a problem with the buy changing, remind him the buy in the first map was 13 inf.  so there cannot be any issue with the buy in this case, but let’s make sure we are 100% on the same page going forward.

A couple of things.

1. I don’t have any problems with anything you have done on your Russian turn.

• my concern came from you being very specific with what can and cannot be done in this game (see previous 1000 pages), but then making all sorts of edits to your non-combats (something we discussed would be allowed) and your purchases (something we did not discuss would be allowed). For the record, I do realize that since no dice were rolled, your purchases are effectively a non-combat move, so again, I am fine with it.
• my question of why you can’t figure out your “final” move before posting is still valid, as no one else seems to have this issue…
• again, the bigger problem is if I save your first file, then make my plans based on that only to find there is a later edition (or editions), then it sets us back in time even further - something you seem concerned about Bold. Which brings me to point 2:

2. I told you from the onset of this game that the only time I have to play is in the evenings. I am up at 5:30am and not home until 5pm. I have no time at work to check my personal e-mail, pms, postings, etc. (except, ironically right now). Add to that family obligations (like feeding my kid) and it puts us at 8 or 9pm. Please stop making comments about when my posts will come. You know I am a fast player and despite having a few other games on the go, this one is my priority and I will get it out as soon as I possibly can.

I have yet to look at R3, but will do so when I get home (which will be very soon). I will plan my turn, send it to my partner for a look over, then post. If I know roughly the time that will be I will PM you.

Sorry if this sounds/feels like a rant, it’s not meant to (it is 30 degrees Celsius and smells like sweaty teenagers in my classroom right now - time to go home!!).

[boldfresh]

no worries hank!  only reason i ever asked for when you thought you might post was in order to plan to be online for you.  if that will always be approximately 8-10pm that is perfect - very easy for me to check in often during that 2 hrs.

as to figuring out the final move prior to posting - i apologize and will make sure i have a much more final move prepared before posting.  however, the fact that we are allowing noncombat move changes presupposes that one has posted a map which they no longer consider to be final.  i assume you were speaking more to the large difference in strategy between my two maps and with that i do agree.  however, since it was unrelated to japan, i figured posting the map showing that i was moving the russians to amur and telling you that would not change would help you in starting to plan japan.  in retrospect, the better thing to do would have been to just post that the russians would be occupying amur and waiting to post the final map.  also, my day was very hectic and there was some dispute between dutch and myself throughout the day (fog of war).  but we got it all straightened out  :wink:  thanks for your patience, and i apologize for the inconvenience.

cheers

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Boldfresh:

if he does have a problem with the buy changing, remind him the buy in the first map was 13 inf.  so there cannot be any issue with the buy in this case, but let’s make sure we are 100% on the same page going forward.

Sorry if this sounds/feels like a rant, it’s not meant to (it is 30 degrees Celsius and smells like sweaty teenagers in my classroom right now - time to go home!!).

not only is it 30 Celsius in your classroom, it’s about 40 Celsius in the pacific ocean right now.  The japanese are literally SWEATING BULLETS.    :-P

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

no worries hank!  only reason i ever asked for when you thought you might post was in order to plan to be online for you.  if that will always be approximately 8-10pm that is perfect - very easy for me to check in often during that 2 hrs.

is there also a window in which allweneed typically posts or should i keep asking him when he thinks he will post so i can be online for him?

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

@Boldfresh:

no worries hank!  only reason i ever asked for when you thought you might post was in order to plan to be online for you.  if that will always be approximately 8-10pm that is perfect - very easy for me to check in often during that 2 hrs.

is there also a window in which allweneed typically posts or should i keep asking him when he thinks he will post so i can be online for him?

I think it varies - he has a young kid at home too. I don’t think you need to ask him every time - just ask him to PM you when he knows when he will have time to post.