13L G40 Vold vs Amon-Sul (Allies +12) No tech

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 cruiser, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Celebes
                ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                ANZAC win, taking Celebes from Japanese with 1 artillery and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 fighters moved from Queensland to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Bulgaria from Italians to Neutral_Axis
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 99 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 99 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis to Italians
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 fighters placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 13 PUs; end with 13 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 18 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Yunnan : 1 infantry
    Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters and 1 harbour
    New Guinea : 2 infantry
    Celebes : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag
    44 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 2 transports
    54 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
    Egypt : 2 infantry

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 4

Combat Move - French
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
                EDIT: Italians takes Greenland from Americans
                EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
                Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to 100 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from 100 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Yugoslavia: 4 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Albania: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            EDIT: 7 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greenland
            EDIT: French undo move 1.
            EDIT: 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Albania
            EDIT: French undo move 1.
            EDIT: 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
            EDIT: 3 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Albania
            1 fighter moved from Tunisia to 95 Sea Zone

Combat - French
            Battle in 95 Sea Zone
                French attack with 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 destroyer and 2 submarines
                2 submarines owned by the Italians Submerged
                French win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - French
            1 fighter moved from 95 Sea Zone to Libya
            2 infantry moved from Tunisia to Libya
            1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Trans-Jordan : 1 infantry
    Egypt : 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 2 infantry
    Libya : 1 fighter and 2 infantry

[Vold]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 armour, 2 bombers, 1 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia
                  Germans take Karelia from Russians
            3 bombers moved from Novgorod to Russia
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Novgorod to Russia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd
            1 armour moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
                  Germans take Vologda from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
                  Germans take Smolensk from Russians
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Nenetsia
                  Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Volgograd

Combat - Germans
            Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                1 tactical_bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 2 and causes: 2 damage to unit: airfield
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 3,8,5 and causes: 16 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Russia causes 18 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: airfield = 2, factory_major = 16
            Battle in Caucasus
                Germans attack with 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 2 armour remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Tambov
                Germans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Volgograd
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Volgograd from Russians with 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            3 aaGuns moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            3 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            2 artilleries moved from Finland to 115 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries moved from 115 Sea Zone to Novgorod
            1 submarine moved from 125 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Belarus
            3 bombers moved from Russia to Novgorod

Place Units - Germans
            1 bomber, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            Germans undo move 1.
            2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry placed in Novgorod
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
            1 infantry placed in Germany
            2 submarines placed in 113 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 79 PUs

[Amon-Sul]

as for sbr

when attacking multiple facilities or attacking with various types of aircraft (bombers and tacs)

u need to roll it here on the forum manually beacuse triple a is wrong and is allowing the attacker to choose the casualties which is forbiden. u have to roll for each building and each type of units attacking separately.

but if u attack only lets say harbour with 2 bombers than u dont have to.

but in all multiple cases either buildings or planes of various types u have to roll it here manually.

please re-roll the sbr from the begining starting from aa guns

thank U :)

[Vold]

I assume you are referring to my ability to pick the casualty?

I’m not familiar with this being a problem.  please post the rule reference so I can get more educated then we’ll figure the best way to go - a reroll may not be the answer as the dice have been cast, so to speak.

[Vold]

I found the reference.  On this rule book here (http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/A&A_Europe_1940_2ndEd_Rulebook_LR.pdf).

These two passages were relevant;
A base may be both strategically and
tactically bombed at the same time.

Each complex and base rolls one die against each bomber
directly attacking it (regardless of the number of
bombers). For each “1” rolled, a bomber of the attacker’s
choice is immediately removed.

So it appears that each target rolls separately, but not each plane type per target.

That being clarified, here are the options that I see we can pursue;

a) We keep the combat and rolls as they are, but roll a single ‘1d5’ in forum to determine which plane was hit (1-3 bombers, 4-5 tacs). the plane that was hit would have it’s die removed from the damage.

b) re-roll the AA and SBR damage from the beginning, but remove the tacs from the fight.  I only included them due to my misunderstanding of the rule - I actually have little interest in bombing the airfield.

c) Leave things as they are and apply the rule properly from here on out.

I’m up for either course of action - or do you have an alternative?

V

[Amon-Sul]

U should replay German turn from the begining then.

Decide which combat moves will U make, send which airrcraft U wish, but watch out, because each building has it s own aa gun. And tacs cant bombard ICs.

U have to do the sbr here unless U re attacking only one building.

We have to play by the rules, and sometimes triple a does not follow them. U have a thread of Gamerman with all the mistakes Triple a  does.

In other words we have to take option b of yours. REstart , replay the German turn from the begining.

[Vold]

I’m all for playing by the rules - this rule is new to me and I’ll be sure to incorporate it from here on out.

However, there is no need to reset and replay the German turn from the beginning.  The infraction only affects the Moscow SBR.  Any adjustments to that combat have no effect on any other combat.

I’m willing to either pull the tacs and redo the Moscow SBR (the tacs will not participate in any other combat), or roll a die and randomly choose which plane was shot down.

I’ll let you choose which course of action we take.

V

[Amon-Sul]

It affects all because u had one casuatly from all those bombings and it was tac but  maybe it should be bomber.

and more important how do we know which unit (attacking which building) was destroyed by aa gun

and then how can we now which amount of dmg was to be taken on which building.

i think U should just replay the turn, because it is simply too confusing.

[Vold]

It’s not that difficult at all to fix the issue and keep the integrity of the turn.

From the SBR run in the last posted file:

• AA fire in Russia : 5,3,4,4,1
  Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 3,8,5 and causes: 16 damage to unit: factory_major
  Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 2 and

causes: 2 damage to unit: airfield

Five planes were sent and one was shot down.  If you enumerate the bombers as 1,2 and 3, and the tacs as 4 and 5, a simple 1d5 roll determines the one to get shot down.

There are still 4 damage dice, it’s only a matter of shifting them accordingly.  If a bomber is selected, the last bomber damage dice (5) becomes tac damage, loses its +2 modifier and shifts to the airfield.

This roll identifies the plane hit:

:roll 1d5:

continued in next post…

[Vold]

whoops - here’s the bomber dice

:roll 1d5:

[Vold]

Rolling 1d5:
(3)

darn typos

[Vold]

The roll is a 3 - according to the enumeration a bomber was hit.

Now the ‘5’ damage dice (the 3rd damage dice in order) shifts to a tac bomber.

Result:
1 bomber hit
Factory +7 points
Airfield -5 points

All in all not a bad day for you.

Unfortunately it’s a PITA to make the adjustments since the German turn is over.  Please make the adjustments on Russia’s turn (remote a bomber from Novo).

Now can we continue?

V

[Amon-Sul]

What is PITA?

Can U please make the changes? It is simply too confusing for me. U can even start Russian turn and just give me the map.

I trust U , but it is just too confusing for me. I hope Triple A guys will solve this thing soon, and watch out for future SBR runs. This is probably the biggest deal with Triple A now. All other minor mistakes are more easily handled.

[Amon-Sul]

@Vold:

The roll is a 3 - according to the enumeration a bomber was hit.

Now the ‘5’ damage dice (the 3rd damage dice in order) shifts to a tac bomber.

Result:
1 bomber hit
Factory +7 points
Airfield -5 points

All in all not a bad day for you.

Unfortunately it’s a PITA to make the adjustments since the German turn is over.  Please make the adjustments on Russia’s turn (remote a bomber from Novo).

Now can we continue?

V

**From the SBR run in the last posted file:

AA fire in Russia : 5,3,4,4,1
    Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 3,8,5 and causes: 16 damage to unit: factory_major
    Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 2 and**

should not it be

FActory +5
Airfield -4(2+5 =7=6 the maximum dmg)

comparing to primary SBR run of urs?

[Vold]

Here you go.

I was incorrect - The bombing rolls were 3, 8 and 5 but have a +2 modifier (hence the ‘8’ roll).  I added the modifier when I indicated the factory would be -7, but it was already added.

So removing the ‘5’ die would only remove 5 from the factory, and only add 3 to the airfield.

Adjustments are made in the attached file, and a bomber has been removed.

by the way, PITA = Pain In The A$$  :wink:

V

[Amon-Sul]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Politics - Russians
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Changing unit bombing damage for these Russians owned units to: factory_major = 11
            EDIT: Changing unit bombing damage for these Russians owned units to: airfield = 5
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Novgorod: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians repair 6 damage on 6 factory_majors; Remaining resources: 17 PUs;
            Russians buy 2 artilleries and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Samara to Volgograd
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tsinghai to Volgograd
            11 artilleries and 37 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Volgograd
                Russians attack with 2 fighters, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians win, taking Volgograd from Germans with 2 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Bryansk
                Russians attack with 11 artilleries and 37 infantry
                Germans defend with 5 armour, 7 artilleries, 21 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys
                10 artilleries owned by the Russians retreated to Russia
                Germans win with 5 armour and 7 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is -24
                Casualties for Germans: 21 infantry and 7 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 37 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Volgograd to Russia
            1 infantry moved from Timguska to Urals
            2 aaGuns and 17 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk

Place Units - Russians
            2 artilleries and 3 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs total

Territory Summary for Russians :

Urals : 1 infantry
    Russia : 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 12 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Novosibirsk : 2 aaGuns and 17 infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry
    114 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    91 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

[Vold]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 airfield, 2 destroyers and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Japan to 25 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Jehol to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Anhwe
            1 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
            1 armour moved from Siberia to Buryatia
            1 infantry moved from Kwangsi to Hunan
                  Japanese take Hunan from Chinese

Combat - Japanese
            Japanese creates battle in territory 37 Sea Zone
            Battle in Anhwe
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking 37 Sea Zone from UK_Pacific, taking Anhwe from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer
                Americans defend with 2 submarines
                Japanese win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 2 submarines
            Battle in Hawaiian Islands

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 bomber moved from 25 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Hainan
            2 bombers moved from Chahar to Kwangsi
            4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 aaGun moved from Chahar to Anhwe
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Kwangsi
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Hainan to Kwangsi
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 fighters moved from Hainan to Kwangsi

Place Units - Japanese
            3 infantry placed in Kwangtung
            1 airfield placed in Kwangsi
            2 infantry placed in Japan
            2 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 43 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4
            Japanese collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

[Amon-Sul]

the map

sada.tsvg

[Vold]

Ignore any dice rolls you may have received via email.  I had it in PBEM accidentally.

Scramble 3 fighters to sz 36.

Kamikaze 3 to each surface warship in sz 6

V