Forrest's greatest victory fought today in 1864


  • Agreed.
    The South just needed someone in the West who was the equal of  Sherman, then it would have been a much closer run thing.
    To think Sherman could have been lost to the Union. Was Grant who saved him and gave him the confidence and belief he almost lost permanently. It is hard not to see how the two men, different in so many ways, complimented each others inadequacies.

    I always loved Cleburne and his Division’s fighting prowess, in attack as well as in defence.
    His unnecessary death at Franklin was a great loss to the Army of Tennessee.


  • @wittmann:

    To think Sherman could have been lost to the Union. Was Grant who saved him and gave him the confidence and belief he almost lost permanently. It is hard not to see how the two men, different in so many ways, complimented each others inadequacies.

    “Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other.”
    – William Tecumseh Sherman


  • Kirby Smith was another very capable Confederate General who could have countered Sherman. He however got isolate west of the Mississippi.


  • I have never read about the TM, but I realise it is your interest Worsham.
    I know he must have been a great administrator and that he had good tactical subordinates, who knew how to win important battles. Taylor at Mansfield comes to mind.
    EK Smith was promoted very quickly from Brigadier at 1st Bull Run, after his serious wounding there.
    Bragg and he needed to coordinate in Kentucky in Autumn of 62. They handed the Union the initiative back after a lightning beginning to that campaign.
    Many forget that this Western invasion of the North game closer to success than Lee’s in the East.


  • I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.


  • Evening Worsham. I know Lincoln did his upmost not to antagonise the Border States, realising their importance to the Union and his political survival.
    I did not know he thought  that to lose Kentucky was tantamount to defeat.
    I think Kentucky was split 60-40 in favour of the North.
    It was the militarily inept ex Bishop of Louisiana, Major General Leonidas Polk who gifted the state to the Union, when he entered the Neutral Kentucky in 61.


  • @ABWorsham:

    I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.

    “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky” is a popular quote around here.  But like Wittman said, the majority was pro-Union.


  • @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.

    “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky” is a popular quote around here.  But like Wittman said, the majority was pro-Union.

    Jermo, where in Kentucky do you live?


  • @ABWorsham:

    @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.

    “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky” is a popular quote around here.�  But like Wittman said, the majority was pro-Union.

    Jermo, where in Kentucky do you live?

    I live in Lexington, where the University of Kentucky is.  Been here since we moved here from Texas in '89.


  • @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.

    “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky” is a popular quote around here.�  But like Wittman said, the majority was pro-Union.

    Jermo, where in Kentucky do you live?

    I live in Lexington, where the University of Kentucky is.  Been here since we moved here from Texas in '89.

    I’m in Madisonville Ky visiting my sister.


  • @ABWorsham:

    @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    @Jermofoot:

    @ABWorsham:

    I read Lincoln’s thoughts on Kentucky joining the South he had serious concerns. Even saying that if Kentucky fell he would feel obligated to discuss splitting the nation.

    “I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky” is a popular quote around here.��  But like Wittman said, the majority was pro-Union.

    Jermo, where in Kentucky do you live?

    I live in Lexington, where the University of Kentucky is.�  Been here since we moved here from Texas in '89.

    I’m in Madisonville Ky visiting my sister.

    Nice!  Well in the future we may have to make arrangements for a meet up.  Not a terribly far drive, but enough to need some planning.


  • Sounds like a plan.


  • @Cromwell_Dude:

    @DarthShizNit:

    Yes I laugh at a lot of the decisions the rebs made, almost as much as I cry at some the north made�  :roll:. But even if given command in 64, not sure Forrest would have prevented the eventual fall of the deep south to Sherman’s armies, as I consider Sherman the superior general, who above all had the resources to throw at the south. But if had been Forrest opposing Sherman in Sherman’s March, I think it would wind up being one of the most nail bitting and interesting military campaigns to read about ever�  :-D.

    Sherman the superior general? I must disagree.

    Feel free. Though I must say, that a man holding the Confederate battle flag in front of the Lincoln Memorial would disagree with me about something Civil War related is truly shocking  :wink:

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