13L G40.2 AllWeNeedIsLove vs Gamerman01 game 4

[gamerman01]

The bait was very juicy.  It was the right thing to do, at least for round 1.  Not sure about round 2, but I think there were merits to that too.

It’s a desperate move to put the entire airforce and almost all tanks for Russia to take a 50/50 shot on for the game, but it was a shrewd thing to do, and it worked out for Allweneedisrolls

[boldfresh]

@arathorn:

@Gamerman01:

The dice just destroyed me

Ridiculous

Ouch…

As I have told Bold, ErwinRommel, my brother and others; it is painfully unfair having to attack with 1s.

arathorn - there is nothing unfair about it.  it can go just as bad or worse in the other direction.  just so happens that apparently tripleA skews against it - either that OR the last 5 battles of this nature that i am aware of have ALL PUNISHED THE ATTACKING RUSSIANS WICKEDLY.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

The bait was very juicy.  It was the right thing to do, at least for round 1.  Not sure about round 2, but I think there were merits to that too.

It’s a desperate move to put the entire airforce and almost all tanks for Russia to take a 50/50 shot on for the game, but it was a shrewd thing to do, and it worked out for Allweneedisrolls

i can only imagine what is would be like to be a guy that always got the dice.  :wink:

[arathorn]

@Boldfresh:

@arathorn:

@Gamerman01:

The dice just destroyed me

Ridiculous

Ouch…

As I have told Bold, ErwinRommel, my brother and others; it is painfully unfair having to attack with 1s.

arathorn - there is nothing unfair about it.  it can go just as bad or worse in the other direction.  just so happens that apparently tripleA skews against it - either that OR the last 5 battles of this nature that i am aware of have ALL PUNISHED THE ATTACKING RUSSIANS WICKEDLY.

It is not just triplea - in January, playing Europe, I forced the Russians (played by Rommel) to attack my German stack - and his 1s suffered greatly. I am a believer in odds and statistics, but there appears to be a bad omen over Russians attacking with 1s… I’ve never seen it work on a large scale… lol

[gamerman01]

You’ve never seen me play against Bold  :lol:

[boldfresh]

i routinely was crushed by such attacks from gamerman.  if only i had the dice shield that love does.  i will keep on making that attack - it’s well worth it for the russians.  course i don’t know where gamer attacked from - need to look at the map - but if he had a safe retreat then DEFINITELY.

[allweneedislove]

@Gamerman01:

The bait was very juicy. �It was the right thing to do, at least for round 1. �Not sure about round 2, but I think there were merits to that too.

It’s a desperate move to put the entire airforce and almost all tanks for Russia to take a 50/50 shot on for the game, but it was a shrewd thing to do, and it worked out for Allweneedisrolls

the first round attack was not that bad for you, ussr scored 3 less hits than average, and germans scored 2 more than average. it was the 2nd round that went real bad for you.

you were doing way to good in europe, and i needed to take risks, on that side of the map.

[gamerman01]

@allweneedislove:

the first round attack was not that bad for you, ussr scored 3 less hits than average, and germans scored 2 more than average. it was the 2nd round that went real bad for you.

That is very bad because the first round is so important as the effect is cumulative.  That 5.5 unit differential was absolutely huge in preventing me from getting into tanks or aircraft by the 3rd or 4th rounds.

We’ll see what happens over the next round…

[gamerman01]

You make it sound minor when saying 3 hits below and 2 above, but I look at it this way (among other ways)…
One way to look at it, is your first roll defense was average, but both of your bombers hit!  And even average would have been terrific for you after I got 11 hits instead of 14.5 median, and you got 2 hits ABOVE -

My odds of victory went from 43% to 6% after that first round.  In other words, from about 2 chances in 5, to 1 chance in 20.  The first round was terrible for me.  The second round was unbelievable.  FIVE hits?!

That’s one problem with global.  You have so many more hours invested in a game when the dice wreak havoc on it.

Ah, well.  Happens to everybody at one time or another.

[JDOW]

@Gamerman01:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ3bzg-Tvt4&list=PL2860BAAE13DC7399

Well, as it’s missing in that exact clip the question is @gamerman: How would YOUR Russian leadership deal with any Russians deciding to retreat? Slaughter them as well?^^

[JDOW]

Oups, my post was outdated, I overlooked that there was another page in that thread, sorry!

[gamerman01]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

Well, as it’s missing in that exact clip the question is @gamerman: How would YOUR Russian leadership deal with any Russians deciding to retreat? Slaughter them as well?^^

No, leadership ordered them to advance in the opposite direction.

Now that they all have their own guns, the survivors aren’t as expendable.

[boldfresh]

hobo said pretty much the exact same thing to me after my first round attack with the russians - “you were only 3 hits under and i was only 2 hits over….”

ONLY???  YOU GUYS MAKE ME LAUGH SO MUCH.  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[arathorn]

@Boldfresh:

hobo said pretty much the exact same thing to me after my first round attack with the russians - “you were only 3 hits under and i was only 2 hits over….”

ONLY???  YOU GUYS MAKE ME LAUGH SO MUCH.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, that and when certain people hit on 95% of every single or double 2 rolled in defense, and claim that it doesn’t matter in the long run. I one game I kept track, and my friend had hit on 44 out of 49 single or double 2s defending. If that is only infantry, that is 44 infantry, or 132 IPC lost instead of 16,3 or 49 IPC. I told him, PLEASE don’t tell me that can’t make a huge difference for example for Japan on the mainland! Lol

[arathorn]

@arathorn:

@Boldfresh:

hobo said pretty much the exact same thing to me after my first round attack with the russians - “you were only 3 hits under and i was only 2 hits over….”

ONLY???  YOU GUYS MAKE ME LAUGH SO MUCH.   :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yes, that and when certain people hit on 95% of every single or double 2 rolled in defense, and claim that it doesn’t matter in the long run. I one game I kept track, and my friend had hit on 44 out of 49 single or double 2s defending. If that is only infantry, that is 44 infantry, or 132 IPC lost instead of 16,3 or 49 IPC. I told him, PLEASE don’t tell me that can’t make a huge difference for example for Japan on the mainland! Lol

People like COW has a tremendous hit rate on single defending 2s…

[boldfresh]

yeah not only that but every single defending two he ATTACKS misses.

[arathorn]

@Boldfresh:

yeah not only that but every single defending two he ATTACKS misses.

I’ve seen it happen… :)

[allweneedislove]

@Gamerman01:

@allweneedislove:

the first round attack was not that bad for you, ussr scored 3 less hits than average, and germans scored 2 more than average. it was the 2nd round that went real bad for you.

That is very bad because the first round is so important as the effect is cumulative.  That 5.5 unit differential was absolutely huge in preventing me from getting into tanks or aircraft by the 3rd or 4th rounds.

We’ll see what happens over the next round…

i wasnt trying to make it sound minor, i know it was a huge boon to the germans. i was replying to your comment of you not being sure of going for a 2nd round.

first rounds of battle are more important than later rounds, just like the first turns of the game are more important than later turns.

i am going to look at the j turn this afternoon and should get it out to you before this evening.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 4 destroyers, 9 mech_infantrys and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Chahar
                  Japanese take Chahar from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
                  Japanese take Hopei from Chinese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Yunnan to Sikang
                  Japanese take Sikang from Chinese
            2 artilleries moved from India to West India
                  Japanese take West India from UK_Pacific
            1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Burma to 38 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 artillery moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 34 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 44 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 44 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Sumatra
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 44 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Anhwe to Suiyuyan
            2 bombers moved from Yunnan to Suiyuyan

Airborne Attack Move - Japanese
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 3 transports
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 41 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Sumatra
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 armour and 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Sumatra, round 2 :  3/7 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 armour and 1 infantry in Sumatra, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the ANZAC , 1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 armour owned by the ANZAC lost in Sumatra
                Japanese win, taking Sumatra from ANZAC with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 armour and 1 infantry
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 transports
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the ANZAC lost in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese win, taking 43 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
            Battle in Borneo
                Japanese attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Borneo, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 2 infantry in Borneo, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Borneo
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from ANZAC with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for ANZAC: 2 infantry
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 45 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 cruiser in 45 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the Japanese and 1 cruiser owned by the Americans lost in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 1 cruiser
            Battle in Suiyuyan
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Suiyuyan, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Suiyuyan
                Japanese win with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in 46 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                ANZAC defend with 1 cruiser
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 46 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 46 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 46 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 46 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 46 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 46 Sea Zone
                ANZAC win with 1 cruiser remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 25 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 25 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 25 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to India
            2 mech_infantrys moved from French Indo China to Burma
            1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Suiyuyan to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
            2 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 6 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 6 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 45 Sea Zone to Philippines
            2 bombers moved from Suiyuyan to Kiangsu
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to India
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Philippines
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to India

Place Units - Japanese
            3 mech_infantrys placed in India
            3 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            4 destroyers and 2 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 35 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to 6 Sea Zone: 1 battleship
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 70 PUs; end with 71 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag
    Kiangsu : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 1 factory_minor and 3 mech_infantrys
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters and 1 harbour
    Jehol : 1 flag
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Shensi : 1 flag
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
    Hunan : 1 flag
    Hopei : 1 flag, 2 mech_infantrys
    Szechwan : 1 flag
    Chahar : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Sikang : 1 flag, 1 mech_infantry
    Anhwe : 1 flag
    Shan State : 1 flag
    Burma : 1 flag, 2 mech_infantrys
    India : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 6 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Borneo : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Guam : 1 flag, 1 airfield
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag
    Amur : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 mech_infantrys
    Celebes : 1 flag
    Java : 1 flag
    Sumatra : 1 flag, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
    41 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 3 transports
    43 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    35 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers, 1 fighter, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    25 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    6 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 4 destroyers, 2 submarines and 1 transport
    West India : 1 flag, 2 artilleries

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 67
    Russians : 17 / 18
    Japanese : 70 / 81
    Americans : 53 / 77
    Chinese : 3 / 8
    British : 38 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 17 / 18
    ANZAC : 10 / 23
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

i made a noncombat edit to not have the battleship move to sz35.