13L G40.2 AllWeNeedIsLove vs Gamerman01 game 4

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 15 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            5 bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Novgorod
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
                  Germans take Smolensk from Russians
            1 armour moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Baltic States to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Tambov
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern Poland to Rostov
            2 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Ukraine to Rostov

[allweneedislove]

would you like to lose your planes scramble in sz123?

[gamerman01]

Where in the heck is Z123?

Opening the map…

[gamerman01]

You mean 109…

Yes, I would like to lose 2 fighters and a tac in exchange for 3 or more bombers

Scramble all, and fire away

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 15 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            5 bombers moved from Western Germany to 109 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Bryansk to Novgorod
            1 armour moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
                  Germans take Smolensk from Russians
            1 armour moved from Smolensk to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Baltic States to Novgorod
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Baltic States to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Eastern Poland to Tambov
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Eastern Poland to Rostov
            2 armour moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Ukraine to Rostov

Combat - Germans
            British scrambles 2 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 109 Sea Zone
            British scrambles 1 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 109 Sea Zone
            Battle in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 5 bombers
                British defend with 2 fighters and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 tactical_bomber
                    Germans roll dice for 5 bombers in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 109 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/3 hits
                    1 transport owned by the British , 3 bombers owned by the Germans , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Americans and 2 fighters owned by the British lost in 109 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 3 bombers
                Casualties for British: 2 fighters and 1 transport
                Casualties for Americans: 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in Tambov
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Tambov, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tambov, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Tambov
                Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Novgorod
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Novgorod, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour in Novgorod, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 armour owned by the Russians lost in Novgorod
                Germans win, taking Novgorod from Russians with 1 armour, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 armour
            Battle in Rostov
                Germans attack with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 4 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 armour, 1 fighter, 4 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers in Rostov, round 2 :  3/10 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Rostov, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Rostov
                Germans win, taking Rostov from Russians with 3 armour, 1 fighter, 4 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 armour moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Tambov to Bryansk
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            2 bombers moved from 109 Sea Zone to Western Germany
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Rostov to Ukraine

Place Units - Germans
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            10 mech_infantrys placed in Germany
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4
            Germans collect 48 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 48 PUs total
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 53 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 4 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Germany : 2 aaGuns, 1 factory_major and 10 mech_infantrys
    Karelia : 1 flag
    Bryansk : 1 flag, 11 armour, 5 artilleries, 1 fighter, 21 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 4 tactical_bombers
    Rostov : 1 flag, 3 armour and 4 mech_infantrys
    Vyborg : 1 flag
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    Tambov : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Ukraine : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers
    Western Ukraine : 1 flag
    Novgorod : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 mech_infantrys
    Smolensk : 1 flag
    125 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag
    Finland : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 51 / 53
    Russians : 19 / 28
    Japanese : 52 / 80
    Americans : 54 / 80
    Chinese : 7 / 8
    British : 36 / 41
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 5
    Italians : 16 / 15
    ANZAC : 10 / 16
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 7 artilleries; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 armour moved from Russia to Belarus
                  Russians take Smolensk from Germans
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Nenetsia to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Nenetsia to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 infantry moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Tambov
            1 artillery moved from Russia to Tambov
            11 infantry moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 submarine moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 1 submarine moved from 115 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Belarus
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 armour
                Russians win, taking Belarus from Italians with 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Battle in Tambov
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians win, taking Tambov from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Sakha
                Russians attack with 11 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Russians win, taking Sakha from Japanese with 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 aaGuns moved from Buryatia to Sakha
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Russia
            6 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Samara
            1 fighter moved from Tambov to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            7 artilleries placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs total

[JDOW]

@Gamerman01:

@allweneedislove:

i took the bait.
would you like to scramble in sz21?

Yeah, that’s kind of a relief.  I was worried about all 14 ground units landing in Australia.
Gotta look.

Hey gamerman and allweneedislove, another match I am following (I am really a big fan of allweneeds J1/J2 abd (I would say successfully so far) copied them in a private game against a friend). Hope you don’t mind asking me some further questions.
T
o my understanding so far the pacific dynamic is imo the most complex and most difficult element in A&A at all.

My question is: I was a bit surprised you were relieved about Japan not dropping 14 ground to Australia. The problem I see with that move is:

• I do not see any chance to successfully take Sidney with these forces without reinformencements which would imo take very long to collect
• the fleet required to protect the transports is then somehow off the action
• Not killing the Guam fighters would imo bring Japan in trouble if US stacks at Caroline (The Carrier SZ would not have to wait for new air to be built)
• Not taking money islands/Malaya could leave Japan with imo too little income once the India boost is used

So strategically I am not sure whether it could be better just to keep Japan strong, hold the US off and throw everything to Europe.

But, I have to say that Europe situation is still unclear to me. So far almost no game I observed (10-20) was won by an Pacific VC for axis. Not sure whether this could be the only chance for Axis to win.

To be honest, while writing the posts I saw more and more benefits of dropping the ground, but I am still not sure whether the “classical” move could still be better?

So I probably just simply ask: Gamerman, you would have dropped the 14 ground to Australia J4?
Allweneedislove: What do you think? Did you miss an opportunity or did you leave it on purpose?

Thanks in advance and best regards,
Tobias

[gamerman01]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

So I probably just simply ask: Gamerman, you would have dropped the 14 ground to Australia J4?

Not necessarily  :-)
Allweneed and I often kid around about strategy, as part of our gamesmanship.  Like when Allweneed asked if I wanted to lose my planes in 109 (because he would have liked to have destroyed the transport without a fight)

However, I was in fact worried about him going to Australia, because if he could get to NSW, he would probably win, and I am doing better in Europe than in the past 2 games, so I absolutely did not want to lose this game in the Pacific on round 6 or 7 or whatever!

The worry I had was that I could not counter-attack, so then he could bring in his airforce to land in Australia the following turn, and I think he had a good chance to take the 6th victory city in just a few turns.
Maybe it was a low chance, but it did worry me.
I don’t remember clearly, but I think I left 4 fighters on Guam mainly because it would require several of the transports to go away from South Asia, the money islands, and Australia and would require a fair amount of force to prevent the scramble.  There is no naval base in Guam.  Also, if he ignores Guam, the fighters can get to Queensland in one turn, or could threaten fleet/transports in the area the next turn.

I do not regreat leaving the 4 fighters on Guam even in hindsight.  My philosophy with the Allies is that the Allies need to get involved and need to get the Axis powers to deviate from their main game plan.

So again, if I was actually playing Japan for that turn I would have invaded Australia with all 14 ground units only if I could calculate that I had a high chance of taking and holding NSW for a turn and winning the game.

[JDOW]

Thanks a lot for your detailed reply!
And I agree that the decision cannot be made in the vacuum and depends on the situation in Europe.

I agree that Europe does not look to great this game for Allweneed. Russia seems tough and UK is a real nuisance probably avoiding to get sufficiently grip on Russia while still defending enough in the west.

So I assume you would agree that the attack becomes more attractive the more you depend on a Pacific VC win (which I guess is harder to achieve than Europe). If Europe would be stronger for axis the conservative line would be better because you just want to keep a certain balance in the Pacific not allowing US to throw everything on Europe while have some capacities to threaten Europe from the East.

I do not regreat leaving the 4 fighters on Guam even in hindsight.  My philosophy with the Allies is that the Allies need to get involved and need to get the Axis powers to deviate from their main game plan.

I couldn’t agree more! To use a metapher I would say that you kill the Axis with 5 poisoned small daggers rather than a battle axe ;)

–—
I have an interesting situation in a current game I play against a friend. I am super strong in Europe, Russia will with no doubt fall G5 (We are G3 but it is already really inevitable) and a mistake of my inexperienced opponent would allow me to take Sidney by an 78% chance collecting his 22 income (he saved 8 during his last purchase). However Anzac could retake next turn, so it would be a simple IPC move rather than a VC claim.

I am still reluctant to do it because I - with my little experience -  think that the Japanese fleet or significant parts of it “does not belong” anywhere else but the SZ37,36(naval build), Philippines - Japan - Caroline - triangle.
Get the money islands, stay strong and threaten India to fall and thus threaten to support Germany from the East once Moscow falls and Axis plays for Egypt to win. Seems the safest option to me but time will tell :)
I am furthermore reluctant to invade Anzac because the move could have so easily be prevented by a blocking move and it does not help me to get better to exploit moves an experienced player would never ever have allowed.

Good luck to both of you, I have to say that in this game I tend to bet on the allies if I had to^^

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 4 destroyers, 2 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 3 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 21 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 21 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 6 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to 37 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 37 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 42 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 21 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
                  Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
            3 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Guam to 21 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 21 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            2 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Borneo to 43 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 43 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 2 transports moved from 21 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 battleship and 1 carrier moved from 21 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Chahar
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kiangsu to Hopei
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 cruiser moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 carriers moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsi to Chahar
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Chahar
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Hopei
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Shensi
            4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Yunnan to India
            1 infantry moved from Szechwan to Shensi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Chahar
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to India

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in Philippines
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries and 6 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 battleship and 2 cruisers in Philippines, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Philippines, round 2 :  2/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Japanese and 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Philippines
                Japanese win, taking Sumatra from Dutch, taking Celebes from Dutch, taking Philippines from Americans with 2 artilleries and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Shensi
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 2 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shensi, round 2 :  0/5 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shensi, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Shensi, round 3 :  2/5 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 2 infantry in Shensi, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Shensi
                Japanese win, taking Shensi from Chinese with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 45 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the Americans and 1 submarine owned by the Japanese lost in 45 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
                Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Chahar
                Japanese attack with 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 3 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 3 infantry in Chahar, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Chinese and 2 mech_infantrys owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber in Chahar, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 fighter owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
                Japanese win with 2 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Chinese: 3 infantry
            Battle in Hopei
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Chinese defend with 1 infantry
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Hopei, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Hopei
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in 34 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 34 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans lost in 34 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 destroyer
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 destroyer in 55 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 55 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 destroyer
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 submarine
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 33 Sea Zone
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 submarine in 33 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                Japanese win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in India
                Japanese attack with 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry; UK_Pacific defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                    AA fire in India :  0/7 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in India, round 2 :  5/10 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry in India, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British and 3 aaGuns owned by the British lost in India
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers in India, round 3 :  6/10 hits
                    UK_Pacific roll dice for 1 artillery in India, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the British lost in India
                Japanese captures 5PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
                Japanese win, taking India from UK_Pacific with 2 artilleries, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 25
                Casualties for British: 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            2 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
            3 mech_infantrys moved from French Indo China to Yunnan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kwangtung to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 55 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 45 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 34 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from Chahar to Yunnan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Anhwe
            1 fighter moved from Hopei to Anhwe
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Hopei to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shensi to Yunnan
            1 fighter moved from India to Yunnan
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from India to Shan State
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Yunnan

Place Units - Japanese
            3 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            2 infantry placed in Japan
            4 destroyers and 3 submarines placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 66 PUs; end with 71 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 76 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 81 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Shantung : 1 flag
    Kwangsi : 1 flag
    Kiangsu : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 3 mech_infantrys
    Kiangsi : 1 flag
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Jehol : 1 flag
    Manchuria : 1 flag
    Shensi : 1 flag, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 2 bombers, 3 fighters, 4 mech_infantrys and 3 tactical_bombers
    Kweichow : 1 flag
    Hunan : 1 flag
    Szechwan : 1 flag
    Anhwe : 1 flag, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
    Shan State : 1 flag, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
    Burma : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    India : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Malaya : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Borneo : 1 flag
    Kwangtung : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Philippines : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
    Guam : 1 flag, 1 airfield
    Soviet Far East : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Amur : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
    Siberia : 1 flag
    Buryatia : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    French Indo China : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 mech_infantrys
    Celebes : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Java : 1 flag
    Sumatra : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    41 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    44 Sea Zone : 2 carriers, 2 fighters, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport
    45 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    33 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    35 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 4 transports
    34 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
    6 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 4 destroyers, 2 fighters, 3 submarines and 1 transport
    55 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 53
    Russians : 21 / 23
    Japanese : 66 / 81
    Americans : 52 / 80
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 36 / 41
    UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
    Italians : 15 / 15
    ANZAC : 10 / 16
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[allweneedislove]

@JapanDOWRound1Fan:

T
o my understanding so far the pacific dynamic is imo the most complex and most difficult element in A&A at all.

Allweneedislove: What do you think? Did you miss an opportunity or did you leave it on purpose?

i agree the pacific is the most dynamic and fun part of any aaa game yet.

if i took australia i would need all the airforce there and not hold india. if this happened it was a one shot at winning but if not then japan would be screwed.

[allweneedislove]

@Gamerman01:

Like when Allweneed asked if I wanted to lose my planes in 109 (because he would have liked to have destroyed the transport without a fight)

damn you and your accurate fighters.

@Gamerman01:

…and I am doing better in Europe than in the past 2 games…

you are playing an amazing game in europe.

@Gamerman01:

I don’t remember clearly, but I think I left 4 fighters on Guam mainly because it would require several of the transports to go away from South Asia, the money islands, and Australia and would require a fair amount of force to prevent the scramble.  There is no naval base in Guam.  Also, if he ignores Guam, the fighters can get to Queensland in one turn, or could threaten fleet/transports in the area the next turn.

I do not regreat leaving the 4 fighters on Guam even in hindsight.  My philosophy with the Allies is that the Allies need to get involved and need to get the Axis powers to deviate from their main game plan.

the fighters in guam was an interesting move, and a good one. i had mocked out 2 turns one with attacking guam and the other with taking the money islands. it cost me a whole turn of pace, but i think it was worth it.

[gamerman01]

@allweneedislove:

damn you and your accurate fighters.

And tac!  :-D

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 3 destroyers, 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Algeria
            2 submarines moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 54 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 45 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern France
            1 bomber moved from Scotland to France

Combat - Americans
            Strategic bombing raid in France
                Bombing raid in France rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: factory_minor
                Bombing raid in France causes 5 damage total.
            Battle in Algeria
            Battle in Southern France
            Battle in 33 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win, taking Algeria from Italians, taking Southern France from Germans with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 55 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
            Battle in 45 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
                Japanese defend with 1 destroyer
                Americans win with 1 cruiser and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 destroyer

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 fighters moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            2 submarines moved from 16 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 101 Sea Zone to 51 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 51 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Brazil to 86 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Brazil to British Guiana
            1 bomber moved from France to United Kingdom
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Western United States
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central United States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Central United States to Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba
            1 aaGun moved from Eastern United States to Central United States
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 armour moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 fighter moved from 55 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 51 Sea Zone to Samoa
            1 aaGun moved from 51 Sea Zone to Samoa
            1 fighter moved from 91 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Western United States to Wake Island

Place Units - Americans
            1 infantry placed in Western United States
            4 fighters placed in Western United States
            3 destroyers and 2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 56 PUs; end with 57 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 77 PUs

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shensi
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter and 3 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Suiyuyan
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai
            Chinese undo move 2.
            1 infantry placed in Suiyuyan

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 8 PUs total

[gamerman01]

My last combat roll was for India, where the Brits failed miserably once again

I retreated the bomber, but realizing it is dead in West India anyway, I want to continue

Rolls: 1@4; Total Hits: 01@4: (5)Rolls: 2@2; Total Hits: 22@2: (2, 1)

[gamerman01]

Well that was an interesting combat phase.

Failing on a 92% chance to take India really fouls me up

But the Brits won a great victory over Leningrad…

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 110 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland
                  British take Finland from Germans
            3 fighters moved from Nenetsia to Novgorod
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Russia to Novgorod
            1 bomber moved from Trans-Jordan to India
            4 infantry moved from West India to India

Combat - British
            Battle in Novgorod
                British attack with 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 3 mech_infantrys
                British win with 5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 18
                Casualties for Germans: 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
            Battle in India
                British attack with 1 bomber and 4 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                retreated to India
                Japanese win with 2 artilleries remaining. Battle score for attacker is -9
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 4 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            2 artilleries moved from Norway to Finland
            5 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Nenetsia
            1 artillery moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Trans-Jordan
            3 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Russia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Persia to Kazakhstan
            1 infantry moved from West India to Eastern Persia
            1 bomber moved from Union of South Africa to Persia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 battleship moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser and 2 destroyers moved from 95 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Italian Somaliland to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 76 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Eastern Persia

Place Units - British
            1 armour placed in Union of South Africa
            1 transport placed in 71 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Union of South Africa
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 81 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 72 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Persia: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Eastern Persia: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 76 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 80 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Persia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Ethiopia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            3 transports placed in 110 Sea Zone
            British undo move 1.
            1 artillery placed in Union of South Africa
            1 armour placed in United Kingdom
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Egypt: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Iraq: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Ethiopia: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Persia: 1 artillery
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 38 PUs; end with 38 PUs total
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

[gamerman01]

Sorry, that one was a bit messy with the edits after noncom

If you have any questions, I would be happy to explain what I did

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Seems my Japan problem is growing…

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 5 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to 81 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Alexandria
                  Italians take Alexandria from British
            1 armour moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 93 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern France
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern France

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 fighter
                Americans defend with 2 submarines and 1 transport
                2 submarines owned by the Americans Submerged
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter in 93 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 transport owned by the Americans lost in 93 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in 81 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the British lost in 81 Sea Zone
                Italians win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 transport
            Battle in Southern France
                Italians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Americans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 2 infantry in Southern France, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Southern France
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 3 :  0/3 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Southern France, round 4 :  1/3 hits
                    Americans roll dice for 1 infantry in Southern France, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Americans and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Southern France
                Italians win, taking Southern France from Americans with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Tobruk
            1 bomber moved from 81 Sea Zone to Tobruk
            1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Romania to Bulgaria
            1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 fighter moved from Southern France to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1,6,4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,3
            Italians collect 13 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 18 PUs total

Territory Summary for Italians :

Alexandria : 1 flag
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Tunisia : 1 flag
    Western Germany : 1 aaGun and 3 infantry
    Tobruk : 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 factory_major, 5 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Southern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 3 fighters, 1 harbour and 4 infantry
    Baltic States : 1 flag
    Bulgaria : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 4 infantry
    Greece : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 53
    Russians : 21 / 23
    Japanese : 66 / 81
    Americans : 53 / 77
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 38 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 2 / 0
    Italians : 17 / 18
    ANZAC : 10 / 16
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0