13LG40NT Boldfresh (allies +9) vs seththenewb (axis)

[seth4god]

@Boldfresh:

why would you want to reroll a battle on the forum when it works properly in tripleA?�

I already rolled it and as far as I know, it was done in a manner that can stand officially albeit somewhat unusual. If you don’t want the reroll then fine, I can conclude my turn. If you want the reroll, I will roll it on the forum so it’s out in the open. If that’s not acceptable to you, then go ask Jenn for another ruling.

[boldfresh]

i mean, if a player does something irregular and it resulted in themselves being
screwed, then to me they are sort of at the mercy of the other player to allow them
to redo something.  but when you misclick in tripleA and then just run it in the forum and i find out the battle could have run correctly in tripleA, i’m not real happy you know?

[boldfresh]

i don’t understand your point - what are you suggesting?  are you saying you would reroll the entire battle on the forum?

[seth4god]

@Boldfresh:

i’m not saying my dice are the battle.� they weren’t even the right dice since i didn’t take w india.� why don’t you just do the turn in tripleA properly and roll it out?

Because the dice have been rolled. It’s simple I’m offering you three choices since you’re taking umbrage with the way I did it.

1. We reroll on the forums
2. The battle stands as is
3. Take it to Jenn

[boldfresh]

oh do you mean you want to keep the rest of the dice from the turn and reroll just this battle on the forum?

[boldfresh]

tell you what, what about a fourth option - we just take the average expected result, edit it in, and call it a day.

[boldfresh]

i will not be asking jenn anything - we will work this out.

[seth4god]

I don’t want to do it again in triplea because I’d have to move everything around again (remembering what came from where and what I hadn’t touched). And then I’d have to go back and edit all the battles that had different results and that’s not even considering India results.

That’s why if we reroll it, I’d want to do it on the forum.

[seth4god]

Deal, let me run the calc and you run the calc and we’ll see what I’m expected to come out of it with.

[boldfresh]

you can round up to your advantage.  i’m fine with that.

[boldfresh]

whatever you say it is, i trust you.

[boldfresh]

i just don’t trust those freaking forum dice.  i used to get screwed 10 times worse when i was using THEM.  tripleA has been much better for me, if you can believe it…  :lol:

[boldfresh]

i can’t wait until Veq fixes the freaking tripleA glitches so everything can be rolled properly through there.

[boldfresh]

what the heck was that forum roll anyway, a bottom 2%er?  :x

thanks for being reasonable seth.  it just felt weird to have the forum dice (which i hate with a passion) kick me in the nuts out of nowhere like that.  :-o

[boldfresh]

i will also allow you to keep any combination of units that you want (ie, if the calc says 7.2 units expected to survive for you, you can keep ANY 8 units).

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

what the heck was that forum roll anyway, a bottom 2%er?   :x

thanks for being reasonable seth.  it just felt weird to have the forum dice (which i hate with a passion) kick me in the nuts out of nowhere like that.  :-o

what i of course mean is, if they were not necessary.

alright, been a long day heading to bed.  have a good night seth - it’s all good with me if it’s all good with you.

[seth4god]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 armour, 4 destroyers, 2 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Burma to 38 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 79 Sea Zone to West India
            1 infantry moved from Burma to 38 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Burma to 38 Sea Zone
            3 armour, 4 artilleries, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Burma to India
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 39 Sea Zone to India
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 38 Sea Zone to India
            2 bombers moved from French Indo China to India
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tsinghai to Novosibirsk
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Chahar to Novosibirsk
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Chahar to Kansu
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Sakha to Yakut S.S.R.
                  Japanese take Buryatia from Russians
                  Japanese take Yakut S.S.R. from Russians
            1 armour moved from Siberia to Soviet Far East
                  Japanese take Soviet Far East from Russians
            1 armour moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
            1 mech_infantry moved from Manchuria to Amur
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Shantung to Jehol
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Manchuria to Amur
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Japan to 16 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 6 Sea Zone to 16 Sea Zone

Combat - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Novosibirsk: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Novosibirsk: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kansu: 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Kansu: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Jehol: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 16 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 31 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 30 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Amur: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Amur: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Amur from Russians to Japanese
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Jehol from Chinese to Japanese
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Kansu from Chinese to Japanese
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from India: 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 14 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Battle in 16 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
            Battle in 39 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport
                British defend with 2 transports
                Japanese winJapanese win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining, taking 39 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for British: 2 transports
            Battle in West India
            Battle in Jehol
                Japanese attack with 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys
            Battle in 30 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in 31 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in Kansu
                Japanese attack with 1 armour
            Battle in Novosibirsk
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese winJapanese winJapanese winJapanese winJapanese win, taking West India from UK_Pacific with 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys remaining with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining with 1 armour remaining with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Amur
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
            Battle in India
                Japanese attack with 3 armour, 4 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 9 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 airfield and 1 harbour; UK_Pacific defend with 1 factory_major
                Japanese captures 5PUs while taking UK_Pacific capital
                Japanese converts factory_major into different units

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Novosibirsk to Tsinghai
            1 infantry moved from Sikang to Tsinghai
            1 armour moved from Shantung to Hopei
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Amur to Japan
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to Japan
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 16 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 31 Sea Zone to 23 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 23 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 30 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Burma to India
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from French Indo China to Burma
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 38 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 38 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 bombers moved from India to Szechwan

Place Units - Japanese
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from India: 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 9 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from 39 Sea Zone: 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from India: 2 artilleries
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Novosibirsk: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            2 infantry placed in Japan
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Korea: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Manchuria: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            4 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in French Indo China
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Manchuria
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Shantung

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 76 PUs; end with 81 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 86 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 91 PUs

[seth4god]

Edit, I decided to change where those bombers landed.

japedit.tsvg

[seth4god]

Everything is good with me on my end. Just a little misunderstanding. Just so we’re clear, I didn’t have an issue with rerolling it . . . I just didn’t want to do it all on triplea since I always figured the forum dice were better and I didn’t want to do all that editing either. But I ended up having to do all that editing since I didn’t save the map before I went to try and replicate whatever the heck happened. I misclick at times, but it’s usually something I remember. Like yeah, something popped up but I didn’t read it and just hit ok. This time I honestly don’t remember a popup prior to it asking to scramble So I was wtf is this . . . where’s my support shots?

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 7

Politics - Americans
            Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for British and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Dutch and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for French and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_True from Strict_Neutral to War
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Germans from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Italians from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Japanese from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral
                Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Allies To War With TrueNeutrals: Changing Relationship for Neutral_True and Neutral_Axis from Strict_Neutral to Friendly_Neutral

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 2 carriers, 4 destroyers and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Central America to 64 Sea Zone
            2 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 2 transports moved from 64 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from 91 Sea Zone to Spain
            2 bombers moved from Gibraltar to Spain
            1 infantry moved from Albania to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Saudi Arabia
            1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Saudi Arabia
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Turkey
            3 bombers moved from Greece to Turkey
            1 bomber moved from Turkey to 79 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to 31 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 30 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 31 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Hawaiian Islands to 30 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Greece to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
                  Americans take 93 Sea Zone from Italians
            1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Spain
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Turkey
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Turkey

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Saudi Arabia
                Americans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Neutral_True defend with 2 infantry
                Americans win, taking Saudi Arabia from Neutral_True with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 2 infantry
            Battle in Spain
                Americans attack with 2 bombers, 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Neutral_True defend with 6 infantry
                Neutral_True win with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -5
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                2 bombers owned by the Americans retreated
            Battle in Turkey
                Americans attack with 2 artilleries, 3 bombers, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_True defend with 8 infantry
                Americans win, taking Turkey from Neutral_True with 1 artillery, 3 bombers, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Neutral_True: 8 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Battle in 30 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 destroyer and 3 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 31 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 submarine
                Americans win with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 submarine
            Battle in 79 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 carriers and 4 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 93 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Turkey to Gibraltar
            2 bombers moved from Spain to Gibraltar
            1 destroyer moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            4 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 31 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 30 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 fighter moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
            1 bomber moved from 79 Sea Zone to Persia
            1 bomber moved from Saudi Arabia to Persia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Turkey to Persia
            2 fighters moved from Turkey to Persia
            1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from Southeast Mexico to Mexico
            1 fighter moved from 31 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 26 Sea Zone to Midway
            1 fighter moved from 31 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands

Place Units - Americans
            2 carriers placed in 100 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 97 Sea Zone
            4 destroyers and 1 submarine placed in 10 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 59 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs