13L G40 Boldfresh (+9) vs. Hobo - game 3

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 10

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Buryatia to Amur
                  Italians take Amur from Russians
            1 armour moved from Amur to Buryatia
            1 armour moved from Vologda to Novgorod
            3 bombers moved from Southern Italy to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to United Kingdom

Combat - Italians
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Italians attacks with 5 units heading to United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                1 tactical_bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 4,4,3 and causes: 11 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 5 and causes: 5 damage to unit: harbour
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 16 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 11, harbour = 5
            Battle in Novgorod
                Italians attack with 1 armour
                British defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                British win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Italians
            3 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 tactical_bomber moved from United Kingdom to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to France
            1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Libya

Place Units - Italians
            1 infantry placed in Southern France
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 2 transports placed in 95 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 33 PUs; end with 33 PUs total
            Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 38 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 43 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 48 PUs

[boldfresh]

i have told you several times that tripleA does not handle bombing raids
correctly.

you should have designated what dice were for the harbor/ab and what dice
were for the IC.  you got one bomber shot down, the question is whether it was
a strat or a tac.  since you did not say what dice were what, you need to determine which
was hit.

[boldfresh]

in other words, you cannot just choose to lose a tac.

if the IC aa hit you lose a strat bomber.  if the harbor hit you lose a tac, if the airbase hit you lose a tac.

[boldfresh]

you don’t pay much attention to detail, but this is one case in which the rules are crystal clear but tripleA just unfortunately handles it COMPLETELY wrong.

[boldfresh]

AA for each facility fires separately and the attacker has a casualty choice within each set of AA fired.  since ONLY STRAT bombers can bomb an IC, you have no casualty choice in that case.  now, if you had a strat and a tac bombing a harbor and the aa hit once, THEN you get a choice between the strat and the tac.

make sense?  think it through, it’s really quite simple.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

AA for each facility fires separately and the attacker has a casualty choice within each set of AA fired.  since ONLY STRAT bombers can bomb an IC, you have no casualty choice in that case.  now, if you had a strat and a tac bombing a harbor and the aa hit once, THEN you get a choice between the strat and the tac.

make sense?  think it through, it’s really quite simple.

so, since tripleA DOES NOT FOLLOW the rules on this issue, it incorrectly rolls all aa fire together no matter what is being bombed and allows whatever casualty choice the attacker wishes - WRONG.

[hobo]

look who needs to take a chill pill, one message would have been sufficient  :lol:

1-2 it’s a tac, 3-5 it’s a bomber, I rolled a magnificent 2,2,1 with my bomber so 2-3 = 2 and 5 = 1

if it’s one of the tac, 1 = to airbase, 2 = to port

Input ErrorThere was an error in your dice throw: “1d5” is not correct syntax.

[hobo]

Rolls: 1@6; Total Hits: 11@6: (1)

[hobo]

so basically map as stands

[boldfresh]

with you, one message is clearly NOT sufficient since i told you this before.

since my dealings with Me1945 i don’t have much faith that players like yourself will be reasonable.  seems you are a different breed from him so you have my apology since you seem to fairly quickly see reason in rules issues.

yes map can stand as is if your tac hit the harbor and not the AB.

cheers

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 10

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan

Turn Complete - French

[boldfresh]

Me1945 would say i just broke the rules and we have to get a moderator ruling because i edited the anzac pieces AFTER the convoy rolls.  in reality, i just clicked through one too many times and then finished the noncom.  this guy is a real knucklehead.

[boldfresh]

keep in mind I am TELLING you that you have the game won.  i am just playing it
out a bit further since the last ditch attack went well.  it won’t be long i’m pretty
sure.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 11

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans repair 8 damage on 8 factory_majors; Remaining resources: 72 PUs;
            Germans buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 submarine moved from 113 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to 119 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to 119 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Norway
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Finland to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
                  Germans take Iraq from Russians
            24 armour, 11 artilleries and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
            3 armour moved from Caucasus to Persia

Combat - Germans
            Battle in 119 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 carrier and 1 transport
                Units damaged: 1 carrier owned by the British
                Germans win, taking 119 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 fighter, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for British: 1 carrier and 1 transport
            Battle in Persia
                Germans attack with 27 armour, 11 artilleries and 9 mech_infantrys
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Persia from ANZAC with 27 armour, 11 artilleries and 9 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Battle in Norway
                Germans attack with 1 fighter and 4 mech_infantrys
                Americans defend with 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Norway from Americans with 1 fighter and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 armour and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter moved from 119 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 119 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Germany to Poland
            5 armour moved from Western Germany to Poland
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            2 artilleries moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            4 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            2 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
            1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 carrier and 2 destroyers placed in 110 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Western Germany
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Volgograd
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 61 PUs; end with 63 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 74 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 79 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 89 PUs

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 11

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Egypt to Eastern Persia
            3 fighters and 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Turn Complete - Russians

[boldfresh]

ah what the heck, put the fighter there instead.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 4 artilleries, 1 fighter, 8 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 3 transports; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 mech_infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 1 Sea Zone to British Columbia
            3 infantry moved from 1 Sea Zone to British Columbia
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Alaska to British Columbia
            2 fighters moved from 10 Sea Zone to British Columbia
            2 tactical_bombers moved from 10 Sea Zone to British Columbia
            2 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to New Guinea
            1 infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Eastern Persia

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Eastern Persia
                Japanese attack with 1 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 fighter
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in British Columbia
                Japanese attack with 5 fighters, 3 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 4 aaGuns, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese win, taking British Columbia from British with 3 fighters, 1 mech_infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 4 aaGuns, 6 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
            Battle in New Guinea
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking New Guinea from ANZAC with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 destroyer moved from 6 Sea Zone to 1 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from British Columbia to Alaska
            2 tactical_bombers moved from British Columbia to 10 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 3 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 1 Sea Zone to 7 Sea Zone
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Hunan to French Indo China
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Hunan
            1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 10 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from New Guinea to 46 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 33 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            2 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in French Indo China
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Alaska
            2 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 fighter and 3 transports placed in 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 5 infantry placed in Japan

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 41 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4
            Japanese collect 72 PUs; end with 72 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 3 Control Honolulu Or Sydney Or Calcutta Or Western United States: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Objective Japanese 4 Control Dutch East Indies: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 82 PUs

[boldfresh]

trying to get to this - don’t worry i won’t play much longer

[boldfresh]

more evidence for your conspiracy theory - another 50/50 battle skews hard for the germans.  :roll:  :lol:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=31281.0

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 armour, 10 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to British Columbia
            4 fighters moved from Western United States to British Columbia
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Norway
            1 bomber moved from Eastern United States to British Columbia

Combat - Americans
            Americans creates battle in territory 110 Sea Zone
            Germans scrambles 3 units out of Holland Belgium to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans scrambles 3 units out of Normandy Bordeaux to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
            Battle in 110 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber; Italians defend with 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                Germans win with 1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in British Columbia
                Americans attack with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                Americans win, taking British Columbia from Japanese with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Norway
                Americans attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 mech_infantrys
                Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for Americans: 1 bomber
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Holland Belgium
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Holland Belgium
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Holland Belgium
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Normandy Bordeaux
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Normandy Bordeaux
            Moving scrambled unit from 110 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Normandy Bordeaux

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 transport moved from 126 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 117 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 117 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 101 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 123 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            4 fighters moved from British Columbia to Western United States
            1 bomber moved from British Columbia to Western United States

Place Units - Americans
            10 infantry placed in Western United States
            1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Central United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 10
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 10 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6,6,6,1,1,4,5,2,3,3
            Americans collect 37 PUs (10 lost to blockades); end with 37 PUs total
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 42 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 52 PUs