Xdap rd6 Ancients allies vs allweneedishank

[lexgreat]

Need scramble orders for sz 97, pls. Delayed Taranto.

[Me1945]

Hold on guys. We might miss one move.

[allweneedislove]

scramble all 3 please

[lexgreat]

as Me pointed out, I missed to move one inf to N-Ita. Still scrambling? Sorry.

[allweneedislove]

yes please scramble all 3.

for the 2inf from egypt on the transport, you are not meant to move them in combat if they are not participating in combat.
it is ok for this battle as it does not make a difference as you could of just moved them in noncombat, but do be aware in the future.

[lexgreat]

true and noted.

[lexgreat]

I scored 5 hits in the first round. Shall I tip BB, remove 2 CR, and then…?

[lexgreat]

This is the file, Me or Trajan, once we have an OOL decision, can continue the battle, or I will tomorrow.

[allweneedislove]

i am surprised you needed an ool. i thought you would fight until you killed all our units.

i will keep the battleship and german fighter.

[Me1945]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 2 fighters, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Gibraltar to 97 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Kenya
            1 fighter moved from Tanganyika Territory to Kenya
            1 artillery moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Persia to 80 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 80 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 artillery moved from 76 Sea Zone to British Somaliland
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 artillery moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 armour moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 battleship moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy

Combat - British
            Italians scrambles 3 units out of Southern Italy to defend against the attack in 97 Sea Zone
            Battle in Kenya
                British attack with 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry in Kenya, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Kenya, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Kenya
                retreated to Kenya
                Italians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in British Somaliland
                British attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship in British Somaliland, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in British Somaliland, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in British Somaliland
                British win, taking British Somaliland from Italians with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Italians defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 3 :  2/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British win, taking Anglo Egyptian Sudan from Italians with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                French loiter and taunt with 1 infantry; British attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Germans defend with 1 fighter; Italians defend with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 2 fighters and 2 transports
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  5/8 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 3 fighters and 2 transports in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/6 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                    2 fighters owned by the Italians , 2 cruisers owned by the Italians and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  3/7 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 fighter and 2 transports in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/2 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British , 1 battleship owned by the Italians , 1 transport owned by the Italians , 1 fighter owned by the Germans and 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    1 transport owned by the Italians lost in 97 Sea Zone
                British win, taking 97 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 60
                Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter
                Casualties for British: 1 cruiser and 2 destroyers
                Casualties for Italians: 1 battleship, 2 cruisers, 2 fighters and 2 transports
            Battle in Northern Italy
                British converts factory_major into different units

Non Combat Move - British
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
                  British take Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Kenya to Egypt
            1 cruiser moved from 80 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
            1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
            2 mech_infantrys moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 fighter moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 infantry moved from Burma to India
            3 infantry moved from Shan State to Burma
            2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Ontario to Quebec
            1 bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Egypt

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            2 fighters and 1 mech_infantry placed in Egypt

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,1
            British collect 33 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 33 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs total
            Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys

Territory Summary for British, UK_Pacific :

Burma : 3 infantry
    India : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 14 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Malaya : 1 harbour
    Kwangtung : 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Belgian Congo : 1 infantry
    Iceland : 1 airfield
    Quebec : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    Alberta Saskatchewan Manitoba : 1 armour
    British Somaliland : 1 artillery
    Gibraltar : 1 airfield, 3 fighters and 1 harbour
    New Brunswick Nova Scotia : 1 harbour
    Egypt : 1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 4 fighters, 1 harbour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Union of South Africa : 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Ontario : 1 infantry
    Scotland : 1 airfield
    United Kingdom : 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Tanganyika Territory : 1 infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    76 Sea Zone : 1 battleship and 1 transport
    97 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
    Eastern Persia : 1 flag, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    81 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser
    79 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Persia : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 7 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 43 / 49
    Russians : 32 / 32
    Japanese : 32 / 44
    Americans : 52 / 55
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 35 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 12 / 20
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 11 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[Me1945]

Map

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            5 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
            1 armour moved from Greece to Albania
            1 armour moved from Albania to Yugoslavia
            1 bomber moved from Southern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 1 artillery moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            3 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Ethiopia to British Somaliland
            1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Libya

Combat - Italians
            Battle in British Somaliland
                Italians attack with 1 artillery
                British defend with 1 artillery
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery in British Somaliland, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery in British Somaliland, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the British lost in British Somaliland
                Italians win, taking British Somaliland from British with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery
            Battle in Yugoslavia
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber and 5 infantry
                British defend with 7 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber and 5 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  0/7 hits
                    British roll dice for 7 infantry in Yugoslavia, round 2 :  6/7 hits
                    1 armour owned by the Italians and 5 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Yugoslavia
                retreated to Yugoslavia
                British win with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -21
                Casualties for Italians: 1 armour and 5 infantry
            Battle in Libya
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Libya, round 2 :  3/8 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 infantry in Libya, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Libya
                Italians win, taking Libya from French with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in Northern Italy
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  0/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Northern Italy, round 3 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Northern Italy, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Northern Italy
                Italians win, taking Northern Italy from British with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 aaGun moved from Southern France to Northern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Yugoslavia to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            2 fighters placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,4,3,5,3,5
            Italians collect 11 PUs (6 lost to blockades); end with 11 PUs total

Territory Summary for Italians :

British Somaliland : 1 flag, 1 artillery
    Kenya : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Northern Italy : 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
    Libya : 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Southern Italy : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters and 1 harbour
    95 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 43 / 49
    Russians : 32 / 32
    Japanese : 32 / 44
    Americans : 52 / 55
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 31 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 17 / 11
    ANZAC : 14 / 14
    French : 10 / 0
    Dutch : 7 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[lexgreat]

@allweneedislove:

i am surprised you needed an ool. i thought you would fight until you killed all our units.

i will keep the battleship and german fighter.

Well, what if you would have hit everything, and we nothing from then on? Didnt want another correction for assuming too much  :-)

Yugo was bad…

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 artillery and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
                  ANZAC take Sumatra from Dutch
            1 transport moved from 62 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 61 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
            1 aaGun moved from Queensland to South Australia
            1 infantry moved from Malaya to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 artillery and 1 fighter placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs total

[lexgreat]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 2

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from French Central Africa to French Equatorial Africa
            1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 87 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 97 Sea Zone to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar

Turn Complete - French

[boldfresh]

holy smokes!  that yugo dicing might be enough to cost the axis the game!

[boldfresh]

that and the z97 dicing.    :wink:

back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[boldfresh]

alexandria cannot be teal unless London is in axis hands.

[allweneedislove]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.7

Game History

Round: 3

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 4 fighters and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
                  Germans take Novgorod from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belarus
                  Germans take Belarus from Russians
            3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 97 Sea Zone
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Poland to 97 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Finland to 127 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 127 Sea Zone to Nenetsia
            1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Nenetsia
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers
                French defend with 1 destroyer; British defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/10 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports in 97 Sea Zone, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                    1 tactical_bomber owned by the British , 2 tactical_bombers owned by the Germans , 1 destroyer owned by the French , 1 carrier owned by the British and 2 fighters owned by the Germans lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    Germans roll dice for 2 bombers, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  3/6 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 2 transports in 97 Sea Zone, round 3 :  2/3 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the British , 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans , 1 fighter owned by the British , 1 battleship owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in 97 Sea Zone
                    2 transports owned by the British lost in 97 Sea Zone
                Germans win, taking Nenetsia from Russians with 2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28
                Casualties for Germans: 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers
                Casualties for French: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 2 transports
            Battle in 125 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
                Russians defend with 1 submarine
                    Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 125 Sea Zone, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 125 Sea Zone
                Germans win, taking 125 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 destroyer and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 submarines moved from 118 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 112 Sea Zone to 127 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            3 infantry moved from Vyborg to Novgorod
            1 aaGun moved from Baltic States to Belarus
            2 aaGuns, 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 16 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            8 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            1 artillery moved from France to Northern Italy
            1 artillery moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
            2 bombers, 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 97 Sea Zone to Northern Italy

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Germany
            4 fighters placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 artillery and 1 factory_minor
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 4 fighters and 1 harbour
    Poland : 3 mech_infantrys
    Germany : 1 factory_major and 3 infantry
    Northern Italy : 3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Belarus : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 6 armour, 5 artilleries, 17 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
    Karelia : 1 flag
    Baltic States : 1 flag
    Nenetsia : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Vyborg : 1 flag
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 8 armour and 9 mech_infantrys
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    Western Ukraine : 1 flag
    Novgorod : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 7 infantry
    125 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    109 Sea Zone : 3 submarines
    127 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 transport
    Finland : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 46 / 56
    Russians : 29 / 32
    Japanese : 32 / 44
    Americans : 52 / 55
    Chinese : 6 / 8
    British : 31 / 33
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 17 / 11
    ANZAC : 18 / 18
    French : 10 / 0
    Dutch : 3 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[boldfresh]

you need to edit alex back to british owned.

and the nightmare is complete for the axis.  z97 again, ouch.