It always becomes personal when IL gets involved. If anyone disagrees with his statements, he takes it as a personal affront.
It is this egomania that led him to harass one member so vehemently, that once Djensen found out even a fraction of the truth, IL lost his mod powers.
A moderator-less forum is better than a IL-moderated forum. It’s better to have too many personal discussions going on than having a lunatic like IL deleting every post he doesn’t like. People just don’t notice the latter, so it seems like what is going on in this thread is so terrible.
Be THANKFUL that there are these personal stabs, as weird as it sounds.
Shadow:
Since you contributed NOTHING yet again to another thread, the ignorance of that post is pretty typical for you. People just need to stop arguing with me and shut up– i don’t mean this to say “i am right, don’t argue”. Rather to just stop replying to me with arguments like some 14 year old girl with a boyfriend that wants nothing to do with her. You have an opinion and i have mine. I am the only person in this discussion who brought up two actual emails from Historians, one of which i talked with before and who were gracious enough to bring up their thoughts. What i got was more of this " they are fake BS" which originates from a typo i made a month earlier. All that means to me is a very immature and shallow thinker of the facts where they need to bring up anything personal except the facts. I also submitted 5-6 links on further reading, which were also dismissed. Not one link until the very end was provided as any refutation of the original argument.
IN fact, if you look at the beginning, the guy who kept arguing with me actually said this:
Quote from: Imperious Leader on May 17, 2013, 09:07:10 pm
Well follow Admiral Raeder’s Mediterranean strategy suggestions, which would have Germany dismantling the British out of the middle east and Africa. I call this the lost year ( June 40-June 41) where Germany really did nothing except send a few divisions taking crappy nations and underrepresented corps in North Africa. If they committed the same forces they used in France, they would have been knocking on India’s door. Letting Goering run an air campaign was the worst idea imaginable. What a failure.
Ripers70:
Much as I hate to do it, I kind of agree with you.
Triple U-boat production and strikes against the RAF, and starve England. At the same time, take the divisions you would have sent East to Africa, take Cairo, and drive on through Palestine, Syria, Iraq, into Persia, and Britain would have ejected Churchill and sued for peace. From there, they would have secured their western front enough to focus on the Soviets.
Then when another guy says this:
I think you guys are really onto something here. If Germany would have thrown half of their forces for the Russian invasion into Africa/Middle East it would have been a relative cake walk. Not to mention it would give Germany the oil it desperately while at the same time completely demoralizing the English people into a possible surrender. I have read in a couple of books that evidence has been discovered that Stalin was going to attack Hitler the following year. He might have done it sooner if the Germans were getting too close for comfort in the South.
And i try to support what he was saying with a link, then latter with more links. Latter ding-a ling brings up the Stanford email and the rest is History. I didn’t bring up that crap and i didn’t do anything but respond to defend myself. Somebody telling me i didn’t go to Stanford is BS and has no place in any discussion here.
Then i post this:
Stalin was planning for war and directed Zhukov to prepare studies on how to attack Germany. The foreign policy was banking on Germany getting into another war of attrition ala WW1 western front and hoping to exhaust Germany while Stalin rebuilds his armed forces. He would give Hitler anything he wanted so as to avoid any provocation. The problem with that plan is to the dismay of the Soviets, the German army wiped up the French and had the British on her heels in a few short months. This is why Stalin was even more careful not to provoke Hitler.
However, Stalin did have designs against Germany and the Balkans ( among others things to get a warm water port). Yet Stalin was also pragmatic- If the Molotov/Ribbentrop meetings went well, they might have signed on with Germany to carve out the middle east but Germany and the Soviets would need to agree on spheres of influence over Scandinavia. This Hitler could not accept, nor any claims for more parts of Romania.
Which on it’s face is entirely factual, yet still they argue. They call me Gay, Dick, A-hole, whatever. They say i do play badminton, don’t live in Malibu, Don’t own anything, Live in a cardboard box or that i have no family and other BS. And all this rubbish is by some ‘osmosis’ from text. Notice that i never once asked the other person anything about his private life, because i don’t give a crap! I don’t need to be jealous of anybody. Then the supreme jug-head Voncrapforbrains1914 and the usual Garg enters the discussion with nothing but empty hands commentary. Excellent. What entertainment. It was a cornucopia of jackasses with off topic commentary. The only losers are those jealous of others and they know who they are. :roll:
I would rather discuss scrap metal.
