13L G40 Boldfresh (Allies +12) vs. Me1945

[boldfresh]

good stuff!  see answer to my question in the G40 FAQ.

Any combination, does not have to be the same.

But in your example when Japan lost Hawaii between J10 and J11, they lost the chance of victory by J11.  If they took Sydney J11 for the 6th city, the clock starts again.  They must maintain 6 cities for a round of play.

Here’s a wacky example to illustrate this clearly.

Say Japan has Tokyo, Manilla, Calcutta, Hong Kong, Hawaii, and Beijing at J10.
US/UK takes Calcutta back UK 10.
Axis only has 5 cities now, so victory clock stops.
Italy takes Calcutta back and also takes Sydney.  Axis has 7 cities, and the clock starts again as of I10.
ANZ liberates Manilla.  Axis are down to 6 cities, so clock is still going - Axis will win as long as they keep ANY 6 Pacific VC’s through I11 now.
Japan takes WUS on J11.  Axis are at 7 cities.
USA liberates Hawaii.  Axis are at 6 cities.
Game goes to I11 without VC changing hands.
Axis wins because they control at least 1 Axis capital in the world, and have maintained 6 or more VC’s in the Pacific constantly without interruption for an entire round of play, from I10 to I11.

[Me1945]

The issue is your US CM changes after posting my scramble decision. Some changes are possible, but I did not confirm any. I can only accept the original CM file you posted and don’t accept the arguments like what is related or not. US CM phase is over. In the case you refuse proceeding with the original file, we need the league  administrator ruling.

[boldfresh]

Ok bud lets go to the league admin.  This is common … there was no dice and there was no chance of a scramble.  In addition you indicated it was ok to restart the turn although not explicitly.  Thought u had the game won but a little off eh?  Listen I said I was going to change my landings and you said no problem.  I still landed in the 112 zone but I took in less and added some combat moves.  And I said if you want to scramble go ahead.  Anyway yeajh im fine with it lets ask for a ruling and im happy to ask for others opinions as well.

Cheers

[boldfresh]

i’m just curious, in a game where we have regularly been allowing things like noncombat changes and changes to combat moves prior to dice being rolled, would you decide to try and say you won’t allow this?  i’m sure it’s not because you are caught with your pants down right?  :-o  :wink:

[boldfresh]

i’m often catching players off guard, so this isn’t my first dog and pony show - seen guys like you a few times.  you haven’t previously gone by the name Emporer Mollari or Jeff28 have you?  :wink:

nothing happened… there were no dice rolled, there were not even anything but empty territories attacked.  are you seriously trying to say you don’t allow changes of combat moves prior to dice being rolled?  :-)

ok, not another word from me, let’s just see what cmdr jenn and gamer have to say…  and anyone else who would like to weigh in on a game between two tier 1 players.

cheers

[Gargantua]

The axis capture 8 or 6 cities (depending on the map side).

Then if they still hold them at the start of the next turn they win.

[boldfresh]

i will have to go back and look - i think this has been a pretty friendly game so far but it could be about to get a little chippy.  :lol:

[arathorn]

In my opinion - as long as dice had not been rolled, there’s usually no problem with that.

I think Boldfresh is in the right in this dispute - but that’s just my opinion.

[Me1945]

Thanks arathorn for your opinion. I’d add that Bold treats posting a scramble decision as a dice roll. It’s somewhere in his game with Cow thread.

2 Bold: the game cant be friendly after the unfriendly tournament game with you particularly after your refusal to adjust our ANZAC NCM.

[seth4god]

@Me1945:

Thanks arathorn for your opinion. I’d add that Bold treats posting a scramble decision as a dice roll. It’s somewhere in his game with Cow thread.

2 Bold: the game cant be friendly after the unfriendly tournament game with you particularly after your refusal to adjust our ANZAC NCM.

Well, both of you have edited your moves in this game (Bold moreso than you). And Bold DID tell you he was changing things around and this was your response.

@Me1945:

No problem. Take your time.

You can’t say that there’s no issue with it ahead of time and then go back and complain that Bold shouldn’t be able to do it. I’d be in your camp had you not posted that or if he’d just arbitrarily made the edits. But he posted what he was wanting to do in general terms and you ok’d it. The only issue I see here is he didn’t ask for scramblers the second time around. But he did say that you could make that decision and roll combat if that’s what you wanted to do. Otherwise, I think everything is on the up and up.

[Me1945]

I am unable to ok any changes before I see what my opponent exactly is doing. Note, no a new file attached. My No problem. Take your time post is strictly related to his previous post where he asks for thinking longer. Would you confirm what even your opponent doesn’t know for sure?

[boldfresh]

@Me1945:

Thanks arathorn for your opinion. I’d add that Bold treats posting a scramble decision as a dice roll. It’s somewhere in his game with Cow thread.

2 Bold: the game cant be friendly after the unfriendly tournament game with you particularly after your refusal to adjust our ANZAC NCM.

That was specific to the cow game since it was as far from a friendly game as possible.  Even then I would have allowed them to change as long as they were bringing less not more.

Clearly you have been laying in wait for me since our tourney game.  And just so you know, I was for allowing you to change your move.  Dutch was adamant however and since it was his theater he had the ruling.

[seth4god]

But that inherently means that you were ok with the fact that he was going to be making changes to his combat moves after he’d asked for and gotten a scramble decision. And your beef with his move is that he made changes . . .

[boldfresh]

Other than you looking to try and pin something unjust on me since you feel I did it to you, what do you think the merits would be of denying the changed move where no dice were rolled and the attack in the zone of scramble was not substantially changed?  You dont have any problem with the added combatoves or do you?  Also, are you attempting to say that the walkins (as every land battle was) should not be allowd to change due to the fact that you gave a simple scramble choice which was clearly no chance of being a scramble in either case?

[Me1945]

Bold, you broke the rules. Combat goes after scramble, not CM adjustments. I did a favor for you before allowing some changes after rolling, but not in this case. What I am definitely NOT going to do is having any theoretical discussion with you.
Btw, if what Garg says is true, we are just waisting the time.

[seth4god]

The axis DON’T have the needed VCs for a win.

[boldfresh]

What do you mean about what garg says?  He says let your opponent play at their best game… so what are u concluding from that?

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

The axis DON’T have the needed VCs for a win.

Exactly seth.  It wasnt until me realized this (I told him) that he raised the stink.  :wink:

[seth4god]

@Boldfresh:

What do you mean about what garg says?� He says let your opponent play at their best game… so what are u concluding from that?

I think he was referring to the victory conditions?

[boldfresh]

So what are you saying you want to allow Me?  I mean, exactly what ARE you saying?   :roll: :lol: