13L G40 Gamerman01 (allies) vs Last Jack (axis +6)

[gamerman01]

Oh, that’s right.  Triple A doesn’t do split SBR’s right.  You had very bad luck with the AA so we won’t worry about it

It let you pick which bombers you would lose, right?  Because it shouldn’t roll all the AA together.  Each facility shoots only at the planes it’s facing.

In other words, if the IC AA hits twice, you have to lose 2 strat bombers because there are no tac bombers.

The error in Triple A gives a big advantage to the attacker because he gets to choose which air is hit by the AA before allocating to targets.  Right?

What I’m saying is, in the future you should roll SBR on the forum, and make sure your opponents do the same.
Do you understand what I’m trying to explain?

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

What I’m saying is, in the future you should roll SBR on the forum, and make sure your opponents do the same.

Clarification:
This is only necessary when you have bombers attacking more than one facility.

[gamerman01]

Holy cow, when I tested it in local, I got FOUR hits out of 7
Not a good night to fly over AA I guess

Yes, Triple A definitely does it dead wrong.

Since you took off 1 strat bomber (and of course because you took 3 losses total) I am OK with the result.

Had you selected 3 tacs and did 20 damage to the IC we might have issues….

All that said, are you OK with continuing as is?

[Last Jack]

I understand. A very expensive lesson learned.  :-)

Funny I was thinking that if we rerolled you might hit 4 or 5 out of 7.  :-D

[gamerman01]

I was thinking about offering a re-roll where you take a minimum of 1 loss or a maximum of 3, but you did get decent damage rolls (harbor maxed)

I think the attack was a good idea, by the way, except I would only send 1 tac at each facility to keep AA exposure down, and because it doesn’t add to your max potential damage…

[gamerman01]

Getting late - maybe resume this fun tomorrow

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 1 armour, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            6 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
            2 aaGuns and 12 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            3 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            2 armour moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            1 artillery moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            2 aaGuns moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            11 infantry moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone

Place Units - Russians
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 armour, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

[Last Jack]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 2 artilleries, 2 destroyers and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 6 SuicideAttackTokens;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Kansu
                  Japanese take Kansu from Chinese
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
                  Japanese take Shensi from Chinese
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hopei to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
                  Japanese take Szechwan from Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Hunan to Kweichow
                  Japanese take Kweichow from Chinese

Combat - Japanese

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 bombers, 6 fighters, 2 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Hunan to Yunnan
            3 infantry moved from Japan to 6 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Korea to 6 Sea Zone
            4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from 36 Sea Zone to Kwangsi
            2 transports moved from 36 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            2 transports moved from 20 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to 19 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 19 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 20 Sea Zone to Kiangsi
            2 infantry moved from Manchuria to Jehol
            3 infantry moved from Korea to Manchuria
            2 destroyers moved from 6 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone

Place Units - Japanese
            2 artilleries and 6 infantry placed in Japan
            2 destroyers placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total
            Objective Japanese 1 Trade With America: Japanese met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 46 PUs

Territory Summary for Japanese :

Caroline Islands : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Iwo Jima : 1 infantry
    Paulau Island : 1 infantry
    Kwangsi : 1 artillery and 5 infantry
    Kiangsi : 2 infantry
    Japan : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 6 infantry
    Jehol : 2 infantry
    Siam : 2 infantry
    Manchuria : 1 aaGun and 5 infantry
    Hainan : 1 harbour
    Shensi : 1 flag, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Yunnan : 1 flag, 1 armour, 5 artilleries, 2 bombers, 6 fighters, 5 infantry and 5 tactical_bombers
    Suiyuyan : 1 flag
    Kweichow : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Hunan : 1 flag
    Kansu : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Hopei : 1 flag
    Szechwan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 flag
    Anhwe : 1 flag
    36 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 4 destroyers, 2 fighters, 2 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 2 transports
    20 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
    16 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    6 Sea Zone : 2 destroyers and 4 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 54
    Russians : 37 / 37
    Japanese : 36 / 46
    Americans : 52 / 52
    Chinese : 2 / 6
    British : 29 / 30
    UK_Pacific : 17 / 17
    Italians : 14 / 19
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 9 / 0
    Dutch : 11 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 2 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[arathorn]

Did Axis really get a bid of 6 in this game? I am very curious as to why?

[gamerman01]

@arathorn:

Did Axis really get a bid of 6 in this game? I am very curious as to why?

Because that is what we agreed to, of course.

But I think this is more what you’re looking for - it’s a handicap

I gave out a +21 bid to the Allies and a +19 bid to the Allies in AA50-41 also.  I won both of them.
I don’t think small bids are as influential as most do, apparently.

[arathorn]

I feel you and agree with you. I just give people the bid so that I can be the Axis. One battle roll can even out a huge bid.

[gamerman01]

@arathorn:

I feel you and agree with you. I just give people the bid so that I can be the Axis. One battle roll can even out a huge bid.

Amen to that

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 1 artillery, 2 destroyers, 2 infantry, 2 submarines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 31 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 destroyers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 cruisers moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Western United States to Hawaiian Islands
            1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 cruiser moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 carrier moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Wake Island to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Guam to 33 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Wake Island to Hawaiian Islands
            2 bombers moved from Wake Island to Hawaiian Islands
            2 destroyers moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
            1 infantry moved from Southeast Mexico to Central America
            1 carrier moved from 101 Sea Zone to 102 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 102 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            1 artillery placed in Western United States
            1 transport placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            Americans undo move 4.
            1 destroyer and 1 transport placed in 101 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry placed in Central United States
            Note to player Americans: America has joined the Allies, and declared war on the Axis!
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for British and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for UK_Pacific and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for ANZAC and Americans from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Trigger Americans War Japanese: Changing Relationship for Americans and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 57 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 77 PUs

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            7 infantry moved from Sikang to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Burma to Shensi

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shensi
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 7 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 6 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Tsinghai

Place Units - Chinese
            2 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs total

[gamerman01]

Wow that was lucky

[gamerman01]

Change purchase from India
Instead of DD, buy 2 INF, save 2 IPC’s

[gamerman01]

Aw, crap.  I just realized something.
The USA move to Z33 at the Carolines is illegal because USA is not at war with Japan and can’t move a boat next to a Japanese controlled territory or island.

Gonna have to fix USA noncom right away then.

[gamerman01]

Whew, I think I got it.
So basically I moved everything to 54 except 1 destroyer
The sub at Wake went to Hawaii
I also changed my noncom so FTR from WUS went to Atlantic instead of Hawaii
I’m confident I got everything fixed properly.  If you have any questions, don’t hesitate to ask.  It might be kind of hard to follow in the history

[gamerman01]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Hawaiian Islands: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 2 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 10 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Central United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 102 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Hawaiian Islands: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 26 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber moved from Scotland to 99 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from 79 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - British

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Politics - British
            British takes Political Action: Political Action British To War With Japanese
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 destroyer and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Hawaiian Islands: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 33 Sea Zone: 2 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 10 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Western United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Central United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 102 Sea Zone: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Hawaiian Islands: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 26 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 26 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 bomber moved from Scotland to 99 Sea Zone
            3 infantry moved from Persia to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to 39 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 39 Sea Zone to 80 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 artillery moved from 80 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from 79 Sea Zone to Iraq
            1 infantry moved from West India to 79 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 79 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 76 Sea Zone to Ethiopia
            EDIT: 1 artillery, 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 cruisers, 3 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            EDIT: 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 33 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - British

Combat - British
            Battle in Ethiopia
            Battle in Iraq
                British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 4 infantry
                Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                British win, taking Ethiopia from Italians, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber
                Italians defend with 1 transport
                British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Italians: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - British
            1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
            1 aaGun moved from West India to India
            3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 12 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Burma to India
            1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Alexandria to Egypt
            1 fighter moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            2 aaGuns and 4 infantry moved from Scotland to United Kingdom
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 79 Sea Zone to Rhodesia
            1 armour moved from Tunisia to Tobruk
            1 carrier moved from 79 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 79 Sea Zone to 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from India to West India
            1 artillery moved from India to West India
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Persia
            1 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 106 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 88 Sea Zone to Suriname
                  British take Suriname from Dutch
            1 armour moved from 88 Sea Zone to Suriname
            1 cruiser moved from 106 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 106 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Quebec to Ontario

Place Units - British
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Union of South Africa
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
            1 submarine placed in 106 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 32 PUs; end with 32 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 destroyer placed in 39 Sea Zone
            3 infantry placed in India
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 39 Sea Zone: 1 destroyer
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to India: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Changing PUs for UK_Pacific from 0 to 2
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 20 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,2,2,1,2,3,6
            UK_Pacific collect 14 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 16 PUs total
            Objective UK Pacific 2 Kwangtung And Malaya: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs
            Units Change Ownership
                Some Units in India change ownership: 3 infantry
                Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 destroyer