13L G40 Boldfresh vs. hobo (allies +5)

[boldfresh]

@hobo:

Wow 4 fighter misses in a row… :roll:

Yeah that was nuts.  Looks like you are getting my only good luck all my other game I get bad luck…

[hobo]

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - Americans

[hobo]

Need scramble orders for spain.

[boldfresh]

nah, it wouldn’t feel right if i won that 104 battle too…  :wink:

[boldfresh]

no scramble to either zone

[hobo]

Go for it!  I wouldn’t be surprised if you won  :-P

Now lets see if your destroyer hits

[hobo]

Of course, both destroyers hit.

Why can’t I load from portugal and unload in gilbratar?  There’s no sea units there.  triplea glitch?

[boldfresh]

no, your transports were involved in the battle.  therefore they cannot be used in noncom.  i am really really surprised you are not aware of that rule if you were so dominant in AA50 - it hasn’t changed.

[boldfresh]

bottom line, if the seazone is hostile at the start of your turn, the transports in that zone cannot be used in noncom, period.  if you do not want them to end in that zone, then they must leave the zone in combat move, but then their turn is over wherever they stop.

[boldfresh]

that’s why it’s so powerful for german to own spain and have an IC.  :wink:

[hobo]

They weren’t part of combat, except for the one that dropped to gib… so I had to load them during combat phase then unload during ncm?

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 submarine moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 91 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Airborne Attack Move - Americans

Combat - Americans
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports in 91 Sea Zone, round 1 :  4/6 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 91 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Americans
                    1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win with 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers and 7 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
            Battle in Gibraltar
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer
                    Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Americans and 1 destroyer owned by the Germans lost in 104 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking Gibraltar from Germans with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine

Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Eastern United States: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Gibraltar: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Eastern United States: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Gibraltar: 1 aaGun
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 91 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters moved from 26 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Eastern United States to 101 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery, 6 infantry and 4 transports moved from 101 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            6 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 artillery moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 104 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            3 fighters moved from 104 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun moved from 91 Sea Zone to Portugal

Place Units - Americans
            5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 51 PUs; end with 51 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 56 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 61 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 71 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Queensland : 1 bomber and 2 fighters
    Guam : 1 airfield
    Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
    Hawaiian Islands : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    54 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 4 fighters
    Central United States : 1 factory_major
    Central America : 1 harbour
    Eastern United States : 1 airfield, 5 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 tactical_bomber
    Gibraltar : 1 aaGun and 1 infantry
    United Kingdom : 1 tactical_bomber
    Portugal : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 12 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
    91 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 2 carriers, 3 cruisers, 2 destroyers, 3 fighters, 1 tactical_bomber and 11 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

Nevermind I’ll change plans then… annoying  :|

Only difference is gib won’t hold now  :|

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs total

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Tsinghai : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

They weren’t part of combat, except for the one that dropped to gib… so I had to load them during combat phase then unload during ncm?

No, you can’t load them during the combat phase OR the noncombat phase with the transports that were in 91 at the start of your turn.  You would need a transport from another zone to come in during the noncombat phase to get them.

It was the same in AA50 - that rule is 4 1/2 years old

[hobo]

Actually that still doesn’t sound right since those transports weren’t part of combat since they didn’t amp invade.  Can I get a ruling on this before I move the brits?

[boldfresh]

No rush you can get a ruling but gamer is a rules authority.  If only krieg will suffice then go ahead and ask.  It is for sure already covered in the faq but I know its long and nearly impenetrable.

Cheers

[hobo]

Ok I’ll change my US ncm slightly then.

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

Actually that still doesn’t sound right since those transports weren’t part of combat since they didn’t amp invade.

They were in the zone, they were part of the combat.  That’s the rationale Krieghund has given.

You must move them out of the zone in combat movement to avoid combat.  If you do that, they can’t do anything in noncombat.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese

Non Combat Move - Chinese

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Tsinghai

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 3 PUs; end with 3 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Queensland: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Central America: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 123 Sea Zone: 4 transports
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Portugal: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Iceland: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to United Kingdom: 2 fighters
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 91 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 91 Sea Zone: 2 transports
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Western United States: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Western United States: 1 armour
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Eastern United States: 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Tsinghai : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 65 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 6 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0