13L G40 Boldfresh vs. hobo (allies +5)

[boldfresh]

hobo, i respectfully submit that the allies have no hope in this game.  however, if you can show me otherwise i would be most grateful as i have been wondering what the counter to this strat would be.  we can keep going as long as you like.

Cheers

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 fighter and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 cruiser moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 54 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Queensland to 44 Sea Zone

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                ANZAC attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                Japanese defend with 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in 44 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport in 44 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the Japanese and 2 fighters owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 44 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer in 44 Sea Zone, round 3 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 44 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 destroyer owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 cruiser in 44 Sea Zone, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 44 Sea Zone, round 4 :  1/1 hits
                    1 cruiser owned by the ANZAC lost in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese win with 1 cruiser and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is -24
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 destroyers
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 fighters

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from New Zealand to 63 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 54 Sea Zone to Queensland
            1 artillery moved from South Australia to Queensland
            1 carrier moved from 62 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 submarines placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in New South Wales
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by ANZAC from New South Wales: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by ANZAC to South Australia: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 37 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,2
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 10 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 15 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 20 PUs

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Siam : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 2 fighters, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield and 1 harbour
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
    South Australia : 3 infantry
    New Guinea : 2 infantry
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag
    54 Sea Zone : 1 carrier and 1 transport
    62 Sea Zone : 2 submarines

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 51 / 80
    Russians : 34 / 39
    Japanese : 64 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 0 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 9 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 11 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :4

Combat Move - French

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

United Kingdom : 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    French Equatorial Africa : 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 51 / 80
    Russians : 34 / 39
    Japanese : 64 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 0 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 9 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 11 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

Not surprising you won a 11% battle.  I’ve come to expect such in this game.

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

Not surprising you won a 11% battle.  I’ve come to expect such in this game.

Wow, that sounds exactly like something your opponent used to say…. a LOT

When he was losing

[boldfresh]

@hobo:

Not surprising you won a 11% battle.  I’ve come to expect such in this game.

I dont lose any more…  :-P jk

But reallt that floatilla was just bait.  Sorry my bait is working and yours isnt… thats frustrating.  No one knows that more from experience than me.  :-o

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

I dont lose any more…  :-P jk

Time to change the avatar to the Roadrunner?

[gamerman01]

Or back to the modern loaded carrier?

[hobo]

Not really bait when you give your opponent 85%+ of doing greater damage.  It’s not like anzac has anything better to do and it’s rare they can even do damage at all.  If they can suck equal attrition damage the allies should take that every day.  Slight difference when you give your opponent worse than even odds while inflicting 50% greater losses on average.  Odds mean nothing to lady luck anyways so what do I know.

btw gamerman01 why are you stalking?  Bad memories from yesteryear?  :lol:

[gamerman01]

Once you post once to a game, it pops up every time there’s a new post and I click it to clear it out.
Can’t believe how much you’re whining

So you played and beat me one time.  You also gambled on a lot of SBR and got extremely lucky.  You sure are full of yourself.  Looks like Bold and Allweneed are putting you in your place.

[hobo]

ahh I get it giggle

allweneedislove is a good player I can already see that in less than a game despite my two year absence here.  back then mistergreen was an awesome player from the folks I remember back in 2010 when I first played here.  it’s ultimately a luck game between two good players, but you still have look at it analytically.  those who can strategically position themselves to have the best odds over and over again are good players.  when people choose 1:2 odds that have a -50% average payback and win decisively, that’s a different story.  I keep tabs on how much cumulative over/under I am vs my opponent so if I comment on the dicing there’s a reason.  It’s amazing I can even win games no less a tournament eh?  :wink:

ps sbr is never a gamble.  calculate the odds.  3.5 x 5 is more than the cost of a bomber.  the side that can afford the attrition should always sbr if they got nothing better to do with bombers.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

Or back to the modern loaded carrier?

samaurai wile.e.coyote is serving me well.

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 airfield, 1 carrier, 3 destroyers, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 units repaired.
            2 bombers moved from Poland to Caucasus
            1 battleship moved from 81 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
            5 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 infantry moved from Sweden to Finland
            1 armour moved from Saudi Arabia to Northwest Persia
            1 bomber moved from Poland to Northwest Persia
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Poland to Finland
            1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Eastern Poland
            2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to 100 Sea Zone
            2 artilleries and 1 mech_infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Caucasus
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to 100 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Caucasus

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Caucasus
                Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 5 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Caucasus, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 1 :  2/6 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 5 infantry in Caucasus, round 1 :  0/5 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Caucasus
                    Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 3 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 :  1/3 hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                Germans win, taking Caucasus from Russians with 1 artillery, 2 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 11
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery
                Casualties for Russians: 5 infantry
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Germans attack with 1 armour and 1 bomber
                British defend with 1 mech_infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour and 1 bomber in Northwest Persia, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Northwest Persia, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the British lost in Northwest Persia
                Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from British with 1 armour and 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Finland
                Germans attack with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Finland, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland
                Germans win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Eastern Poland
                Germans attack with 1 armour, 5 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
                Russians defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 5 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in Eastern Poland, round 1 :  2/10 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Eastern Poland, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Eastern Poland
                    Germans roll dice for 1 armour, 4 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys in Eastern Poland, round 2 :  1/9 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery in Eastern Poland, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Eastern Poland
                Germans win, taking Eastern Poland from Russians with 1 armour, 4 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 aaGun moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
            1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Greece
            1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Greece to Spain
            1 armour moved from Northern Italy to Spain
            1 aaGun moved from Poland to Baltic States
            1 aaGun moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Finland to Norway
            2 infantry moved from Sweden to Norway
            1 carrier moved from 81 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Turkey
            2 bombers moved from Caucasus to Greece
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone

Place Units - Germans
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 factory_minor placed in Sweden
            1 airfield placed in Spain
            1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 93 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in 93 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 104 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer placed in 91 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 125 Sea Zone. Rolls: 1,6
            Germans collect 53 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 53 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Gibraltar : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Egypt : 1 armour
    Cyprus : 1 flag
    Malta : 1 flag
    Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Southern France : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Western Germany : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Germany : 1 factory_major
    Norway : 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Baltic States : 1 aaGun and 5 mech_infantrys
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 4 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    Caucasus : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
    100 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 4 transports
    113 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Turkey : 1 bomber
    104 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Saudi Arabia : 1 flag
    93 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 bombers and 1 mech_infantry
    97 Sea Zone : 1 carrier
    Northwest Persia : 1 flag, 1 armour
    Sweden : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag
    Spain : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
    91 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 54 / 70
    Russians : 31 / 39
    Japanese : 64 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 0 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 9 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 11 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[boldfresh]

@hobo:

ahh I get it giggle

allweneedislove is a good player I can already see that in less than a game despite my two year absence here.  back then mistergreen was an awesome player from the folks I remember back in 2010 when I first played here.  it’s ultimately a luck game between two good players, but you still have look at it analytically.  those who can strategically position themselves to have the best odds over and over again are good players.  when people choose 1:2 odds that have a -50% average payback and win decisively, that’s a different story.  I keep tabs on how much cumulative over/under I am vs my opponent so if I comment on the dicing there’s a reason.  It’s amazing I can even win games no less a tournament eh?  :wink:

ps sbr is never a gamble.  calculate the odds.  3.5 x 5 is more than the cost of a bomber.  the side that can afford the attrition should always sbr if they got nothing better to do with bombers.

now now boys, let’s play nice.  this is a whole different game than AA50 so you guys should probably just take out your aggression on the battlefield.  hobo clearly has a high A&A IQ as he entered the league taking on three games with 2 of the top players.  he’s probably up for a game with the gamer eh hobo?

cheers

[hobo]

So can transports load during combat phase in a sea zone with an enemy ship?

[boldfresh]

No

[boldfresh]

Its always been that way as far as I know.  Certainly aa50.

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

So can transports load during combat phase in a sea zone with an enemy ship?

They can if it’s a transport or a sub.  Enemy surface ships stop loading EXCEPT
if you just declared war on that power, and you are presently in a sea zone with that enemy’s surface ship(s) you can load directly into that sea zone (you can’t move in to it from another zone)

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :5

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 6 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 9 PUs;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kansu
            1 bomber moved from Russia to Kansu
            1 infantry moved from Buyant-Uhaa to Manchuria
                  Chinese take Manchuria from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Chahar
                  Chinese take Chahar from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Suiyuyan
                  Chinese take Suiyuyan from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Tsinghai
                  Chinese take Tsinghai from Japanese
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            1 armour moved from Ukraine to Romania
                  Russians take Bessarabia from Germans
                  Russians take Romania from Germans
            1 armour moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            1 submarine moved from 109 Sea Zone to 104 Sea Zone

Combat - Russians
            Germans scrambles 3 units out of Spain to defend against the attack in 104 Sea Zone
            Battle in 104 Sea Zone
                Russians attack with 1 submarine
                Germans defend with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers
                    Russians roll dice for 1 submarine in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers in 104 Sea Zone, round 1 :  2/4 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Russians lost in 104 Sea Zone
                Germans win with 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
                Casualties for Russians: 1 submarine
            Battle in Kansu
                Russians attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 armour
                    Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Kansu, round 1 :  2/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Kansu, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 armour owned by the Japanese lost in Kansu
                Russians win, taking Kansu from Japanese with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour
            Battle in Caucasus
                Russians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Germans defend with 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
                    Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 1 :  5/13 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    2 mech_infantrys owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                Russians win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 mech_infantrys
            Moving scrambled unit from 104 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Spain
            Moving scrambled unit from 104 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Spain
            Moving scrambled unit from 104 Sea Zone back to originating territory: Spain
            Trigger Russians Conquer Japanese Territory By Mongolia: Setting switch to false for conditionAttachment_Mongolia_May_Change_To_Russians_Control_Switch attached to Russians

Non Combat Move - Russians
            4 infantry moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            2 aaGuns and 16 infantry moved from Central Mongolia to Buyant-Uhaa
            1 artillery moved from Karelia to Novgorod
            4 mech_infantrys moved from Russia to Volgograd
            1 bomber moved from Kansu to Buyant-Uhaa

Place Units - Russians
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
            3 infantry placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Russians collect 36 PUs; end with 45 PUs total
            Trigger Russians 1 Lend Lease: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 50 PUs
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 56 PUs

Territory Summary for Russians :

Manchuria : 1 infantry
    Suiyuyan : 1 infantry
    Kansu : 1 infantry
    Tsinghai : 1 infantry
    Chahar : 1 infantry
    Buryatia : 1 infantry
    Olgiy : 1 flag
    Dzavhan : 1 flag
    Central Mongolia : 1 flag
    Buyant-Uhaa : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 1 bomber and 16 infantry
    Ulaanbaatar : 1 flag
    Tsagaan Olom : 1 flag
    Romania : 1 flag, 1 armour
    Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 3 infantry
    Ukraine : 1 factory_minor and 5 infantry
    Volgograd : 1 factory_minor and 4 mech_infantrys
    Novgorod : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 7 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    Caucasus : 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 8 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    115 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser and 1 submarine
    Finland : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 70
    Russians : 36 / 56
    Japanese : 57 / 70
    Americans : 51 / 71
    Chinese : 7 / 3
    British : 36 / 43
    UK_Pacific : 9 / 10
    Italians : 23 / 40
    ANZAC : 11 / 20
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

1 ncm change.