13L G40 Boldfresh vs. hobo (allies +5)

[boldfresh]

oops syria was a blind spot.  shoulda taken that too.  :-)

[boldfresh]

i will lose ftr instead of tac in sudan.  let me know if you want to continue the attack.

[boldfresh]

and even though tripleA apparently allowed it, i’m pretty sure you cannot move into brazil with an infantry and then also move a tank through brazil to unlock argentina.  almost certain you must take argentina with the transport if you wish to do so this turn.  i will post the question to the faq thread to be sure.

[hobo]

You can change the fighter loss on your turn for sudan.  As for the friendly allies, conversion is instant so I’m pretty sure you can do it.  I guess we need the final word from a moderator.  But if you I can’t do it, I will change the transport move.

[boldfresh]

@hobo:

You can change the fighter loss on your turn for sudan.  As for the friendly allies, conversion is instant so I’m pretty sure you can do it.  I guess we need the final word from a moderator.  But if you I can’t do it, I will change the transport move.

Im almost certain you cant do it.  Wont affect the italian turn so once we get confirmation u can make the change during your franzac move.

[boldfresh]

Answer was given go ahead and post your edits.

[hobo]

Can you post a link to the answer?  I’m curious the reasoning since I would have thought friendly allies are treated like friendly territory since you move into them during ncm which shouldn’t stop a unit with 2 moves.

[boldfresh]

Its the g40 faq.  Will post the link in a bit.  A pro allied neutral stops movement and cannot be moved through by a tank or mech.

[boldfresh]

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28562.0;topicseen

waiting for your edited map.  fix the tac in sudan too if you wish.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Politics - British
            British takes Political Action: Political Action British To War With Japanese
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and British from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Unprovoked
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Japanese and Dutch from Neutrality to War
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and British from Neutrality to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and UK_Pacific from Concordant to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
                British succeeds on action: Political Action British To War With Japanese: Changing Relationship for Chinese and Dutch from Neutrality to Friendly

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 4 armour; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Union of South Africa to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            2 infantry moved from Mozambique to 72 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 cruiser moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 battleship moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Saudi Arabia to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Saudi Arabia to Iraq
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to Iraq
            2 fighters moved from India to Iraq
            2 infantry moved from Kwangtung to Kiangsi
                  Chinese take Kiangsi from Japanese
            1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to 99 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in 99 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 bomber
                Germans defend with 2 transports
                    2 transports owned by the Germans lost in 99 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for Germans: 2 transports
            Battle in Iraq
                British attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 1 :  1/6 hits
                    Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 :  4/6 hits
                    Neutral_Axis roll dice for 2 infantry in Iraq, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq
                British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 2 fighters, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 9
                Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry
            Battle in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                British attack with 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Germans defend with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                    British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  1/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  0/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in Anglo Egyptian Sudan, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British and 1 tactical_bomber owned by the Germans lost in Anglo Egyptian Sudan
                Italians win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Germans: 1 tactical_bomber
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
                1 tactical_bomber owned by the British retreated

Non Combat Move - British
            1 destroyer moved from 72 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 39 Sea Zone to 76 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from West India to Afghanistan
                  British take Afghanistan from Neutral_True
            2 infantry moved from Burma to India
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Persia
            2 fighters moved from Iraq to Persia
            3 infantry moved from Angola to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Mozambique to Rhodesia
            2 armour moved from Union of South Africa to Belgian Congo
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            1 bomber moved from 99 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Persia
            1 destroyer moved from 89 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Venezuela to Brazil
                  British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
            1 infantry moved from Venezuela to 89 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 89 Sea Zone to 66 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 66 Sea Zone to Chile
                  British take Chile from Neutral_True
            1 armour moved from Venezuela to Argentina
                  British take Argentina from Neutral_True
            1 infantry moved from Celebes to 44 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 44 Sea Zone to 46 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 46 Sea Zone to New Guinea

Place Units - British
            1 armour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Union of South Africa
            1 fighter placed in United Kingdom
            1 submarine placed in 109 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - British
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 4
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 109 Sea Zone. Rolls: 3,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,5,1,2,2
            British collect 37 PUs (4 lost to blockades); end with 37 PUs total

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            4 armour placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs total
            Objective UK Pacific 2 Kwangtung And Malaya: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 4 armour
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 66 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 85 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Chile: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Changing ownership of Chile from British to Neutral_Allies
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Argentina: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_True to Chile: 2 infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Anglo Egyptian Sudan: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Changing PUs for British from 37 to 35
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Territory Summary for British, UK_Pacific :

Kiangsi : 2 infantry
    India : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 4 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour and 20 infantry
    Malaya : 1 harbour
    Kwangtung : 1 harbour
    New Guinea : 1 infantry
    Celebes : 1 flag
    Java : 1 flag
    46 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Belgian Congo : 2 armour, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Iceland : 1 airfield
    Quebec : 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor and 1 infantry
    New Brunswick Nova Scotia : 1 harbour
    Union of South Africa : 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Scotland : 1 airfield
    United Kingdom : 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 15 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Rhodesia : 1 infantry
    Syria : 1 bomber
    Afghanistan : 1 flag, 5 infantry
    76 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    Mozambique : 1 flag
    Saudi Arabia : 1 flag
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 destroyer
    85 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Argentina : 1 flag, 1 armour and 5 infantry
    109 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Angola : 1 flag
    Iraq : 1 flag, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    81 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    Brazil : 1 flag, 5 infantry
    Venezuela : 1 flag
    Northwest Persia : 1 flag
    Persia : 1 flag, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 54 / 69
    Russians : 33 / 36
    Japanese : 39 / 50
    Americans : 52 / 77
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 39 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 29
    Italians : 16 / 32
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 7 / 0
    Dutch : 4 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[hobo]

Changed the map and took 2 ipcs off uk, but I’d still like to hear an official response rather than from another player.  If activation is immediate, it should be possible.  The tank by itself wouldn’t be able to move through and activate both, but with the extra infantry, that wouldn’t be the case upon immediate activation.

[boldfresh]

gamerman is an official rules deputy.  his answers are official.  plus it’s right in the rules.

[gamerman01]

@hobo:

Can you post a link to the answer?  I’m curious the reasoning since I would have thought friendly allies are treated like friendly territory since you move into them during ncm which shouldn’t stop a unit with 2 moves.

The reasoning is you have to transition their government or whatever.  This is straight from Krieghund, who literally wrote the rule book.

[gamerman01]

See reply #380 of the current FAQ thread for your rationale.

And you will see me going on record saying it’s a stupid rule, on that post as well.  One stop shopping.

[boldfresh]

I3 coming imminently

[boldfresh]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Politics - Italians
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
            Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
                Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery and 4 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Greece to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Syria
            1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Syria

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Syria
                Italians attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                British defend with 1 bomber
                    Italians roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Syria, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Syria, round 1 :  2/3 hits
                    French roll dice for 1 bomber in Syria, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 bomber owned by the British lost in Syria
                Italians win, taking Syria from French with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for British: 1 bomber
            Battle in Trans-Jordan
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 1 :  0/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 :  3/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 infantry in Trans-Jordan, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Trans-Jordan
                Italians win, taking Trans-Jordan from British with 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Tobruk to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Libya to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Libya to Tunisia
            1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria
            2 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Northern Italy to Spain
            2 aaGuns moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Slovakia Hungary
            1 bomber moved from Syria to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 artillery placed in Northern Italy
            4 transports placed in 97 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
            Objective Italians 3 North Africa: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 33 PUs

Territory Summary for Italians :

Trans-Jordan : 1 flag, 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 1 infantry
    Alexandria : 1 flag
    Egypt : 1 flag, 1 harbour
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Morocco : 1 flag
    Algeria : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Syria : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Tunisia : 1 flag, 2 armour and 1 mech_infantry
    Slovakia Hungary : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Northern Italy : 1 artillery and 1 factory_major
    Southern Italy : 1 airfield, 1 bomber, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    96 Sea Zone : 1 infantry
    93 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 4 transports
    Yugoslavia : 2 infantry
    Spain : 2 aaGuns, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys
    98 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 54 / 69
    Russians : 33 / 36
    Japanese : 39 / 50
    Americans : 52 / 77
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 38 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 29
    Italians : 18 / 33
    ANZAC : 10 / 20
    French : 6 / 0
    Dutch : 4 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0

[boldfresh]

hold up, i may edit that.  will let you know very shortly.

[boldfresh]

here you go.

[hobo]

btw if you edit, please let me know what you did that was different from the posted summary.  I generally read the turns by the summary so if something’s different I’d prefer to know what.

[hobo]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 carrier and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam
                  ANZAC take Siam from Japanese

Combat - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            2 infantry moved from Queensland to South Australia
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to South Australia

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 carrier placed in 62 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 11 PUs; end with 12 PUs total
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 22 PUs

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Siam : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Queensland : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 4 fighters and 1 harbour
    New Zealand : 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    South Australia : 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    New Guinea : 2 infantry
    Dutch New Guinea : 1 flag
    54 Sea Zone : 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    62 Sea Zone : 1 carrier

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 54 / 69
    Russians : 33 / 36
    Japanese : 38 / 50
    Americans : 52 / 77
    Chinese : 3 / 3
    British : 38 / 35
    UK_Pacific : 24 / 29
    Italians : 18 / 33
    ANZAC : 11 / 22
    French : 6 / 0
    Dutch : 4 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 2 / 0
    Neutral_True : 0 / 0