if you follow the logic of neo-liberlism
I dont follow the logic of neo-liberalism, I would say it is not logic at all
How can you be innocent if you buy the stuff that slaves have produced?
See now, thats just absurd.
First of all, I have never bought anything a slave produced
Second of all, like you said, slave made products were cheaper, not only because of that, but also because they were domestic goods, and did not have tariffs (this is within the US of course). are you going to make poor people buy more expensive goods?
If your dad accumulates debts, the banks will make sure that they get the money upon his death of his descendants
this is not the same as making descendants of slave owners pay reparations. The main difference being, that its not the same institution collecting from different debtors, its a different one. Its not like the scenario you said, where the dad died, but the bank is still there, its the dad died, and the bank died, and someone who used to work at the bank is trying to collect the money. To use a crude example, has anyone ever seen Family Guy? In one episode, a white man (the main character) discovers he has a black ancestor that used to be a slave. He also discovers that his inlaws are the decendants of his ancestor’s owners. He makes them pay him for this. Does he deserve any money for that?
If you profit from slave labor, you should pay for it. No matter wether you are on the producer or consumer side.
Ah, does that include the African tribes that “worked” for slave traders by providing them with slaves in exchange for liquor, and trinkets, and such? Does that mean they should pay reparations as well? or does it not apply to the slave trade?
so many things have happened between slavery and today,
… like what?
Its called a complete sentence Falk, why dont you read the full sentence before replying to a part of it, as the second part contains my point, the part you responded to applies to it.
This again is commonplace, everywhere in the third world.
So, there is de-facto slavery. We don’t see it, we profit from it. We as consumers and especially the producers should pay for it.
But, breaking human rights seems to be not a crime as long as there is profit adn “shareholder value” behind it.
This is unrelated to making people pay reparations for slavery, it has no relevance. Notice you said third world, as in, thats where the producers are, since we agree they should pay, go after them. I disagree with you that consumers should pay, but thats the foundation of this argument. you also use the word profit. If the term consumer is used, this applies also to people who buy, say, Nikes which are made in sweatshops, then you are saying that they profit from this, which is not true, they save money perhaps, something entirely different (but with the price of nikes, they may not actually be transferring these savings onto the consumers.)
First, the term blood money no longer refers to murder etc. only.
……? is that it? thats all you have to say on that? what a good argument, simply saying what i said is no longer true, youve convinced me.
we as the western societies profited of slaves, some cooperations and individuals still profit from it.
Name some. give me some examples of these, and also, are we talking about the slavery that was conducted up till the 13th amendment? Or the “slavery” that is being conducted today, in which case, that is irrelevant
Sure, people could be poor today.
Dont tell me you are disputing the fact that people are poor? please dont tell me that
But how to become wealthy another way, with explicitly not profiting from the stoeln wealth of your society?
this is logic along the same lines as saying “how to drink without drinking the same water as dinosaurs did?” thats ridiculous. and its my society now? you can take it, and criticize it all you want, but dont call it mine.
Because it was not an individual doing something to another individual.
By that logic, individuals should not have to repay individuals, because it was not an individual doing something to another individual, another difference in your dad’s debts to the bank scenario
No western society has clean hands, as the economies of us have been interweaved for quite some time.
No society on earth has clean hands. Every economy is interweaved, its a global economy. Western economies have effects on Eastern economies, and vice versa. Eastern economies also have their own evils to worry about