@Krieghund Thanks! (For completeness, I should have been more clear in that Germany controlled Persia at the beginning of its turn in this example. i.e. there was/is a legal landing zone for the fighter)
Is it possible for Russia to build a navy and still win?
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There seems to be some discussion that pearl harbor is NOT an automatic play on J1.
Soooooooooo, lets say no pearl harbor occurs. That gives the allies another carrier and bs to protect the shuck. How about, the us carrier and bs go to the atlantic, and uk buys a carrier too, but sends it to the kareilia northern sz. This could take a few turns(3?), cuz you would’nt want to do it before the us carrier is in the uk sz to protect the uk transports. With the uk carrier in the karelia sz, there would be no danger for the russian transports.
Also, if germany has no navy, OR airforce, then no direct threat to russian transports would be there.
Again, i think its a serious gamble, but I could envision a couple of scenarios where it might be plausible. But as someone said, you’d hvae to be playing some real newbs or there must be some really funky die rolls (like the germans lose all their planes and navy on g1and uk1 - in which case, its prolly over anyway).
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I really can not imagine a scenario where this would work. I always figured that if i were ever Russia, i would love the position to arise where i could just buy a battleship as kind of a “you’re soooooo screwed” manuever. The fact is that you need those extra 8 infantry on the first turn, otherwise guarenteed i WILL hit Karelia and there is nothing your battleship can do about it. You want to try your little 4/6 support shot against me? Fine, but it won’t hurt too much compared to the joy of having 8 fewer infantry facing my enexorably continuing march on Moscow.
Let’s look at the first round. Let’s say you leave 1 inf on CAU, move all available other units to KAR and buy your BB. You will have 11 inf, 3 arm, and 2 ftrs defending vs. 7 armour, 11 inf (2 from Germany proper) and 5 ftrs, 1 bmb. First round i kill 8 units, you kill 6. Next round I kill 7 units, you kill around 3-4. I’ve just taken KAR and will prolly hold it with 7 armour left and maybe an inf or 2. In the meantime i’ve also taken CAU with my 2 inf and bb support shot. Now true, i’ve left the UK navy as well as the russion one alone, but really what are you going to do as Russia? Moscow is mine in the next 2 turns give or take, and i’m not really wetting myself in the face of the mighty Russian navy. -
wvfoos,
Thanks for agreeing with me.
signed,
@wyfoos:“someone”
cystic_crypt agrees, too, in more detail!
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Well after reading your posts and looking at the board some more, I think you guys are right. I ended up just buying infantry and putting it on Karellia. The germans I think messed up, becuase they attack Karellia with everythint they could(like 5 tanks infantry and all of their planes) And they didn’t retreat eihter, meaning they lost all their AF and still didn’t take it.
USA landed on T1 to take out the undefended finland. And UK did a nasty D-Dday invasion on T3. Berlin fell on T4.
Whooohooo I won, of course it wasn’t due to my strategic genius, but more so to do with a stubborn german player who didn’t like retreating! :)
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i did it against the computer (got a bb first turn) and was able to invade germany by sea as russia on turn 3!
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I have seen a Russian navy once. I was playing Russia and the AI played the rest, In order to end the game I had to build a navy to take Japan.
In a more normal game, russia can always buy a battleship in the last round before victory, but it doesn’t really count.
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remember anything is possible! the russian navy that you do start out with can be useful! transport can be used to give russia western cash it can’t otherwise get. and sub can get in the pacific and block lone tranny to new zealand, this only happened once, but…
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remember anything is possible! the russian navy that you do start out with can be useful! transport can be used to give russia western cash it can’t otherwise get. and sub can get in the pacific and block lone tranny to new zealand, this only happened once, but…
I like it!!!
i’m going to do this!!! -
i forgot to mention, the ussr transport if it survives can be used by the uk as a “half” transport for 1 inf per turn, or 2 every other which allows the uk to move a little more in without disrupting infantry buys to get a full transport (which they may not even be able to fill)
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i tried playing the abandon-pacific-and-head-for-the-atlantic strategy once with USA. didn’t work out so well on that occasion. the problem was that it left the pacific wide open for the japanese to stroll into hawaii and midway. then it was strategic bombings and consistent badgering by the japanese in mexico and alaska. needless to say, the US game plan went haywire.
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first of all, it is pretty hard to get a Russian Navy in time to actually do anything, but that doesn’t stop us from having a good joke at its expense. the only time i had a Russian Navy was when i took out Germany and took out a japanese IC in Manchuria, then built a BB or two to take out Japan.
as far as “badgering” by Japan in Mex/Alaska? that’s what? 3 IPCs? as long as they don’t get too much of a force there, it’s no big deal, and it keeps Japan from focusing entirely on Russia, which is always a good thing. :D
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to answer your topic…. no
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If Russia builds a battleship at the start of the game, Germany will most likely overrun Karellia with few losses and from the start threaten Moscow!!
So NO dont build a battleship at the start of the game!!
Now if Germany falls and the Japan player won’t give up then go ahead and build a few battleships.
But only after Germany is DEAD!!!
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If Russia builds a battleship at the start of the game, Germany will most likely overrun Karellia with few losses and from the start threaten Moscow!!
So NO dont build a battleship at the start of the game!!
Now if Germany falls and the Japan player won’t give up then go ahead and build a few battleships.
But only after Germany is DEAD!!!
of course this would require you holding Manchuria, Burma, etc. in order to build the IC’s to build the ships. This would mean that Japan is on its way out in which case Russia building a BB is Russia’s way of saying “the game is over already and this is tedious”.
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Once Germany has fallen it should be no problem for Russia to take any of it’s areas back that Japan has. And after that go after any other Asian mainland area that Japan has. Once done then go ahead and build BBs.
Some Japanese Players wont quit till they have lost Japan itself.
If BBs are not to your liking then the Russian player can build Bombers.
My whole point was that Russia can’t build BBs till Germany is Dead!!!
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Some Japanese Players wont quit till they have lost Japan itself.
quote]Those people need to get in touch with reality. :D
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My point still stands with me.
If the Japanese player wont give up after Germany falls then Russia can build a navy to help beat her!!
There are some players who have no problem going down with the ship.
Besides if during the game the Japanese player built a huge Asian Empire then I can see him or her not going down with out a fight!!!
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If the Japanese player wont give up after Germany falls then Russia can build a navy to help beat her!! There are some players who have no problem going down with the ship. Besides if during the game the Japanese player built a huge Asian Empire then I can see him or her not going down with out a fight!!!
I can see why Russia could have a navy, but what I’m saying is that if it actually gets so far they need one, then Japan ain’t gonna win anyway. :wink:
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Good point Grigoriy.
But still if the Japanese player wont quit when his partner in crime goes down what else can a Russian player do??
Some Japanese players just wont quit!!! Japan won’t win the game but some players like to fight it out.
Thus the need for a Russian naval fleet. But if you don’t like naval power them go ahead and build bombers!
And I’ll admit it IF i’m Japan and you guys left me alone and I built a huge Asian empire then yes you will need to build that Russian fleet.
But if I some how I played a poor game and lost half during the game then yes I would give up after Germany fell.
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true. i have played against fatalist types who will never surrender, and i would also rather build a fleet-besides, you’ll still need TRNs for the ride over, because anyone who fights that far won’t give up till there’s an occupation force.
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