Criminal Justice

[Guest]

Yanny if u ge shot in the leg do you shoot yourself in the head to finish the job just to make it fair?? just because alchohol is legal does not mean you should make it worse by legalizing everything else. but under your logic perhaps i should just blow my brains out

[Janus]

a bit of an extreme analogy mike, but i approve. yanny, alcohol is in fact a drug, but there is a major difference between it and marijuana, LSD, cocaine, etc. Alcohol is not necessarily problem causing, when taken in moderation. in fact, not only can a small amount not affect you at all given the circumstances, but it can also provide some health benefits (im not advocating alcohol as some kind of vitamin or something). marijuana and all the others fuck you up, excuse the language. one drag, sniff, or injection depending on what you are taking is enough to screw you up, and you will almost certainly develop an addiction if you use it more than once. alcohol is less likely to cause an addiction, unless you are an alcoholic, you can usually stop if you want to without any withdrawl. and again, i agree with mike. just because we have alcohol, and will almost certainly never get rid of it does not mean we should worsen the situation by legalizing other drugs. think before you speak yanny, or post in this case. :)

[DeviantScripter]

You’re right Janus. People smoke to get “high”, period. There’s no middle-ground when it comes to “traditional” drugs. Alcohol on the other hand, is not a problem for most people.

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@Deviant:Scripter:

You’re right Janus. People smoke to get “high”, period. There’s no middle-ground when it comes to “traditional” drugs. Alcohol on the other hand, is not a problem for most people.

and the problem with getting high is . . . ?
so now are we going to criminalize drinking to get drunk?
and how do we decide that?
too much government, too much bureaucracy, too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason.

[DeviantScripter]

too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason.

Last time I checked, anyone breaking the law was a criminal. :(

However, I’ll look beyond that for the moment. It’s not simply a question of–should I be allowed to do it. There are so many more factors that have to be considered with regards to drugs.

[Guest]

@Janus:

…alcohol is in fact a drug, but there is a major difference between it and marijuana, LSD, cocaine, etc.

I would understand if you took chocolate, coffeine and nicotine as different from alcohol and marijuana and these from opiates.

Alcohol is not necessarily problem causing, when taken in moderation. in fact, not only can a small amount not affect you at all given the circumstances, but it can also provide some health benefits (im not advocating alcohol as some kind of vitamin or something). marijuana and all the others f**k you up, excuse the language.

Not true. Look at it this way: if you say alcohol can be taken “in moderation”, then all the others can too. It’s just the dose that is different for each drug to be called moderate.
And opiates are used for medical purposes, just as marijuana slowly earns its acceptance there.

one drag, sniff, or injection depending on what you are taking is enough to screw you up, and you will almost certainly develop an addiction if you use it more than once. alcohol is less likely to cause an addiction, unless you are an alcoholic, you can usually stop if you want to without any withdrawl.

Well, i’d really like to know where you got that “alcohol is less likely to cause an addiction” from. And as well, you can stop any drug as long as you are not addicted, so where is the point when you exclude the alcohol addicts?

and again, i agree with mike. just because we have alcohol, and will almost certainly never get rid of it does not mean we should worsen the situation by legalizing other drugs. think before you speak yanny, or post in this case. :)

“Think before you speak” out of your mouth made me grin :)
It seems like you totally misunderstood Yannies point. He is fighting against the same hypocrisy that you are showing, no wonder that you don’t understand what he says.

Did anyone of you ever sepnd a minute or so on how the land of marijuana use, where it has deep roots in the culture, could develop such revolutionary concepts like the “zero” in maths? How could India be a high culture?

@Deviant:Scripter:

too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason.

Last time I checked, anyone breaking the law was a criminal.

Sometimes i really wonder why some people have such difficulties to think logically, or wether i imply too much.
CC said: There are non-criminals in jail.
DS said: anyone breaking the law is a criminal.

For me DS implies that everyone in jail has broken the law. Which could then be taken further as a negation of CCs thesis… these steps are not valid, if you want me to explain further, please tell me, but i sincerely hope that i don’t have to …

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@Deviant:Scripter:

too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason.

Last time I checked, anyone breaking the law was a criminal.

Sometimes i really wonder why some people have such difficulties to think logically, or wether i imply too much.
CC said: There are non-criminals in jail.
DS said: anyone breaking the law is a criminal.

For me DS implies that everyone in jail has broken the law. Which could then be taken further as a negation of CCs thesis… these steps are not valid, if you want me to explain further, please tell me, but i sincerely hope that i don’t have to …

i am choosing here to define a “criminal” differently than a simple law-breaker. If you exceed the speed limit, litter, exceed your meter time/park in a no-parking zone, are you not breaking the law? Well, yes, but those “simple violations of by-laws” - not truly criminal acts. At the same time, breaking-and-entering, terrorizing people, murder etc. are largely “criminal” acts.
I look at marijuana users - people who currently use and/or have used marijuana, and i laugh my ass off at the consideration that they are members of the criminal element. These are people who have done more for soceity than many a church-going-conservative (actually, a few of them are).
A society really must re-examine its values when they legalize abortions (baby killings), kill prisoners, and imprison people for using a drug which is not entirely harmless, but certainly has fewer negative effects than most legal substances (i’d even argue coffee is a harsher substance - given its effects on my classmates - both in abstentia as well as in its usage/tolerance build-up etc).
I remember getting pulled over for biking through a stop sign (right-hand turn at a 3 way stop at 6:00 am - no traffic, no danger). I’m thinking “don’t you have some CRIMINALS to go after”? But i broke the law so therefore i’m a criminal?

[Guest]

And what about those who are forced to take “speed”? It is suspected that under the influence of that they killed and attacked innocents…

You guessed right, i am talking of those pilots of the USAF!!

[DeviantScripter]

Those criminal charges were dropped. :(

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@Deviant:Scripter:

Those criminal charges were dropped. :(

Not really. They face a possible hearing on derilection of duty. One pilot has op’d for a court martial to “clear his name”. If convicted he faces up to 64 years in prison.

[Guest]

@Deviant:Scripter:

Those criminal charges were dropped. :(

I guess you find that they schould not have been dropped.
Why? Would you mind to explain?