@Curtmungus your honor of being more famous than me is quite deserved. I salute you.
Criminal Justice
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Yanny, im sorry, but i have to play devil’s advocate here. i have to agree with cc and guest, i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
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Yanny, im sorry, but i have to play devil’s advocate here. i have to agree with cc and guest, i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
people are inherently evil???
You BELIEVE in a “good and evil”??? As FinsterniS would say “how Manchiestic of you”. That would be great - two Atheists going at it over such a moral/spirtu-o-religious concept :D
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that it may, CC. but dont get me wrong, i dont mean “good” and “evil” as in god and satan, or anything like that.
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People are born animalistic. Not “Good” or “Evil”, because in nature there is no such thing. We may think we’re above darwinism, but we’re not. People lie, cheat and steal to get ahead. We motivate ourselves into becoming evil, through such heated competition.
Why do I not commit, for lack of a better term, “evil” acts? Because I, like few people out there, have my own moral code. Not the bible’s moral code, not something set by society, my own personal beliefs which I will not violate.
Most people don’t have a moral code. Thats why we have a crime and punishment system.
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…i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
Then why would it help if you make it such easy to bring more people into prison?
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Sorry, I meant to log in. That was me posting as guest. :P
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grrrr….that was me again. :wink:
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because leaving them out there isnt going to help a lot, theyll keep committing crimes. the ones who already commit crimes may in fact fear prison, but they dont get in because of our piece of shit judicial system, pardon my french. and yanny, just what exactly is your “moral code” mr. lets legalize marijuana?
Yanny - This is your first and only warning, watch the language
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lol…at first I thought Janus was warning Yanny about HIS language. Now that would’ve been interesting :wink:
heyyy that means I get a freebie warning! Hmmm, gotta make it good though. Actually nevermind, I already used mine in some other terrorist thread :(
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interesting yanny, how someone so clearly against fascists could be such a nazi with the forum. if you have this rule about language, than fine, i will respect it, but you need to lighten it up. its a forum for open discussion, allow open discussion
Yanny is a great guy (i trust you know what i mean yanny :) )
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because leaving them out there isnt going to help a lot, theyll keep committing crimes. the ones who already commit crimes may in fact fear prison, but they dont get in because of our piece of sh*t judicial system, pardon my french. and yanny, just what exactly is your “moral code” mr. lets legalize marijuana?
Yanny - This is your first and only warning, watch the language
um, excuse me, but i believe I was the no-good hippie looking to decriminalize marijuana.
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yea you were saying that here CC, but i know yanny, and i know his stance on marijuana
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My stance is to get rid of the hipocricy. You either legalize all drugs, or illegalized them all. You know America will never give up it’s beloved Alchohol, so the latter route is out.
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That only works if you consider alcohol a “drug”.
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@Deviant:Scripter:
That only works if you consider alcohol a “drug”.
It is a fact that alcohol IS a “drug”. I got into some trouble with the law recently…my lawyer told me it would be a good idea to talk to a counselor, just so they can say I’m NOT an alcoholic or anything (I only had 2 beers the night of the arrest). But anyways, so I met with her a few times, and I had been telling her “nope, I don’t smoke, don’t do any drugs, just drink sometimes.” Then she went on to explain that alcohol IS in fact a drug.
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Yanny if u ge shot in the leg do you shoot yourself in the head to finish the job just to make it fair?? just because alchohol is legal does not mean you should make it worse by legalizing everything else. but under your logic perhaps i should just blow my brains out
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a bit of an extreme analogy mike, but i approve. yanny, alcohol is in fact a drug, but there is a major difference between it and marijuana, LSD, cocaine, etc. Alcohol is not necessarily problem causing, when taken in moderation. in fact, not only can a small amount not affect you at all given the circumstances, but it can also provide some health benefits (im not advocating alcohol as some kind of vitamin or something). marijuana and all the others fuck you up, excuse the language. one drag, sniff, or injection depending on what you are taking is enough to screw you up, and you will almost certainly develop an addiction if you use it more than once. alcohol is less likely to cause an addiction, unless you are an alcoholic, you can usually stop if you want to without any withdrawl. and again, i agree with mike. just because we have alcohol, and will almost certainly never get rid of it does not mean we should worsen the situation by legalizing other drugs. think before you speak yanny, or post in this case. :)
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You’re right Janus. People smoke to get “high”, period. There’s no middle-ground when it comes to “traditional” drugs. Alcohol on the other hand, is not a problem for most people.
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@Deviant:Scripter:
You’re right Janus. People smoke to get “high”, period. There’s no middle-ground when it comes to “traditional” drugs. Alcohol on the other hand, is not a problem for most people.
and the problem with getting high is . . . ?
so now are we going to criminalize drinking to get drunk?
and how do we decide that?
too much government, too much bureaucracy, too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason. -
too many non-criminals going to jails that my taxes are propping up for no good reason.
Last time I checked, anyone breaking the law was a criminal. :(
However, I’ll look beyond that for the moment. It’s not simply a question of–should I be allowed to do it. There are so many more factors that have to be considered with regards to drugs.
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