I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Criminal Justice
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Jan_,
That’s Spock from Star Trek:TOS. (Heh-heh!)Twelve Angry Men is a great movie. Now ya talkin’!
Death penalty is a “no go” for me. I prefer life in prison without parole, but also without a lot of the frills, too. No heavy workouts, limited TV, NO conjuggling(sex with someone from outside the prison. I find it funny that men will repeatedly have sex with men inside prisons and not consider themselves bi-sexual after having homosexual encounters!) Rehabilitation is a crock. If they want to change they will. It’s like trying to get an alcoholic to stop drinking. They will when they hit bottom(bounce back or die.)
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@Anonymous:
but what if those ten are murders?
and what if those murderers do commit their crimes again?
that would all suck
But what if it rained Coke Slurpees? Then things would be cold and sticky. Then just sticky.
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@El:
Jan_,
That’s Spock from Star Trek:TOS. (Heh-heh!)Twelve Angry Men is a great movie. Now ya talkin’!
Death penalty is a “no go” for me. I prefer life in prison without parole, but also without a lot of the frills, too. No heavy workouts, limited TV, NO conjuggling(sex with someone from outside the prison. I find it funny that men will repeatedly have sex with men inside prisons and not consider themselves bi-sexual after having homosexual encounters!) Rehabilitation is a crock. If they want to change they will. It’s like trying to get an alcoholic to stop drinking. They will when they hit bottom(bounce back or die.)
for many the “having sex” is a dominance thing. They do not consider this an affront to their heterosexuality, but a way to dominate utterly another man.
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There are conflicting views on whether the death penalty acts as a deterrent.
Here’s an opposing view to my take on capital punishment ripped from todays’s daily rag regarding the arrest of a suspect in the killing of Holly Jones:But I think U.S. professor John McAdams from Marquette University sums it up perfectly:
“If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers,” he said “If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call.”
The death penalty is the only appropriate level of denunciation for first-degree murder. It says in no uncertain terms that as a community, we will come down with relentless force on anybody who snatches one of our kids, kills them and chops them up into pieces.
this is difficult to argue against. Could i push the button/perform the injection? Prolly not.
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well nobody is asking you to push the button cc, im not sure whether i could either.
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I think that arguing the deterrent effect of capital-punishment is a fallacious argument. That would be a good argument if you could convince me that jail is a deterrence at all.
We lock up rapists…did it stop people from raping?
We lock up arsonists…did it stop people from committing arson?By the deterrence arguement, it would make sense to do away with the entire prison system completely, since it’s obvious that it hasn’t stopped people from committing the crimes.
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Guest,
Explain to me why the majority of the population does not commit crime? Personally, I don’t think its a big moral problem. We all know what happens when anarchy ensues, theft, looting, rape. Read the book Lord of the Flies?
Why do the above not happen on a large scale? Because people are afraid of prison.
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Guest,
Explain to me why the majority of the population does not commit crime? Personally, I don’t think its a big moral problem. We all know what happens when anarchy ensues, theft, looting, rape. Read the book Lord of the Flies?
Why do the above not happen on a large scale? Because people are afraid of prison.
that’s not why i don’t rape/commit arson/rob/kill/etc. tho’.
(just to spite you i’d love to say that it’s because i love The Lord, but that’s prolly not the only reason. At the same time, i’m certain that His influence prolly mitigates some of the badder deeds . . . :D) -
Guest,
Explain to me why the majority of the population does not commit crime? Personally, I don’t think its a big moral problem. We all know what happens when anarchy ensues, theft, looting, rape. Read the book Lord of the Flies?
Why do the above not happen on a large scale? Because people are afraid of prison.
Yanny i Obey the laws not because im afraid of going to jail, i obey them because i am a morale person and they laws are for the most part Right.
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Yanny, im sorry, but i have to play devil’s advocate here. i have to agree with cc and guest, i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
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Yanny, im sorry, but i have to play devil’s advocate here. i have to agree with cc and guest, i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
people are inherently evil???
You BELIEVE in a “good and evil”??? As FinsterniS would say “how Manchiestic of you”. That would be great - two Atheists going at it over such a moral/spirtu-o-religious concept :D
well, this may explain a little your draconian approach to law enforcement, i guess. -
that it may, CC. but dont get me wrong, i dont mean “good” and “evil” as in god and satan, or anything like that.
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People are born animalistic. Not “Good” or “Evil”, because in nature there is no such thing. We may think we’re above darwinism, but we’re not. People lie, cheat and steal to get ahead. We motivate ourselves into becoming evil, through such heated competition.
Why do I not commit, for lack of a better term, “evil” acts? Because I, like few people out there, have my own moral code. Not the bible’s moral code, not something set by society, my own personal beliefs which I will not violate.
Most people don’t have a moral code. Thats why we have a crime and punishment system.
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…i would say the majority of the population does not commit crime because of reasons other than fear of prison. not necessarily because they are moral people (because i think we share the view that people are inherently evil) but i dont think its fear of prison. im not afraid of prison, i dont commit crimes
Then why would it help if you make it such easy to bring more people into prison?
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Sorry, I meant to log in. That was me posting as guest. :P
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grrrr….that was me again. :wink:
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because leaving them out there isnt going to help a lot, theyll keep committing crimes. the ones who already commit crimes may in fact fear prison, but they dont get in because of our piece of shit judicial system, pardon my french. and yanny, just what exactly is your “moral code” mr. lets legalize marijuana?
Yanny - This is your first and only warning, watch the language
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lol…at first I thought Janus was warning Yanny about HIS language. Now that would’ve been interesting :wink:
heyyy that means I get a freebie warning! Hmmm, gotta make it good though. Actually nevermind, I already used mine in some other terrorist thread :(
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interesting yanny, how someone so clearly against fascists could be such a nazi with the forum. if you have this rule about language, than fine, i will respect it, but you need to lighten it up. its a forum for open discussion, allow open discussion
Yanny is a great guy (i trust you know what i mean yanny :) )
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because leaving them out there isnt going to help a lot, theyll keep committing crimes. the ones who already commit crimes may in fact fear prison, but they dont get in because of our piece of sh*t judicial system, pardon my french. and yanny, just what exactly is your “moral code” mr. lets legalize marijuana?
Yanny - This is your first and only warning, watch the language
um, excuse me, but i believe I was the no-good hippie looking to decriminalize marijuana.
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