13L G40.2 Gamerman01 (Allies +9) vs. Jeff28 (Axis)

[Jeff28]

Going to have to look up the paratroopers for Germ turn. Are they an inf carried by an air unit out of a airbase for attack?

So any undefended territory w/in 3 of Moscow or Novo later you can take? Can you send more than one to a territory? How many maximum for a territory and turn?

Thx.

[gamerman01]

No problem, Jeff.

I can send 1 or 2 infantry directly from an airbase (no aircraft required) at ONE ENEMY territory that I am ALSO attacking with at least ONE other ground unit.  And the enemy territory has to be within 3 spaces of the airbase.

You can do this from each airbase, but I only control one, currently.

So I can only launch 2 infantry max per turn up to 3 spaces in a combat move (you can’t non-com them)

Does that answer all your questions?
Do you have access to an E40 rulebook?  If not, I can type the rule up for you.

[gamerman01]

Not sure why you said “undefended”

I can add 2 infantry to a battle against a big stack, as long as it’s within 3 spaces of my airbase.

[Jeff28]

I guess I was picturing a strat bomber carrying an inf behind my front lines to take Poland or something.

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

I guess I was picturing a strat bomber carrying an inf behind my front lines to take Poland or something.

That was exactly what you could do in AA50.
It IS possible to go behind enemy lines, if you can get a ground unit there that is NOT a paratrooper (like off a transport).
If you think of anything else you’re concerned about, just continue to ask and I will certainly do my best to give you a thorough, correct answer.

Anyway, here’s the text from the 2nd edition rulebook:
Up to 2 of your infantry units in each territory with an air base can be moved to an enemy controlled territory 3 or fewer spaces away that is being attacked by your land units from adjacent territories and/or by amphibious assault.  When moving, paratroopers must obey the same restrictions that air units do.  If the territory being attacked has AAA (antiaircraft artillery) units, the paratrooper infantry units are subject to antiaircraft fire in the same way as air units.  If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

I believe “same restrictions that air units do” means that you can’t move paratroopers over neutrals.
Note that since they are subject to AAA fire, they can actually serve to shield your aircraft because you could lose paratrooper infantry first.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

@Jeff28:

I guess I was picturing a strat bomber carrying an inf behind my front lines to take Poland or something.

That was exactly what you could do in AA50.
It IS possible to go behind enemy lines, if you can get a ground unit there that is NOT a paratrooper (like off a transport).
If you think of anything else you’re concerned about, just continue to ask and I will certainly do my best to give you a thorough, correct answer.

Anyway, here’s the text from the 2nd edition rulebook:
Up to 2 of your infantry units in each territory with an air base can be moved to an enemy controlled territory 3 or fewer spaces away that is being attacked by your land units from adjacent territories and/or by amphibious assault.  When moving, paratroopers must obey the same restrictions that air units do.  If the territory being attacked has AAA (antiaircraft artillery) units, the paratrooper infantry units are subject to antiaircraft fire in the same way as air units.  If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

I believe “same restrictions that air units do” means that you can’t move paratroopers over neutrals.
Note that since they are subject to AAA fire, they can actually serve to shield your aircraft because you could lose paratrooper infantry first.

Sheilding against aa fire would be HUGE.  Are you sure that they can be chose INSTEAD of air?

[boldfresh]

Probably a good question for krieg unless u are 100 pct sure.  I would think the inf would be shot at separately but I could see it either way.  But geez that would add a lot of power to the tech if u can lose inf rather than air to aa.

[gamerman01]

Reading the rules for AAA guns makes me 100% sure.  It always talks about firing at “air units” and the attacker chooses whatever “air units” he wants to lose for each “1” rolled.

The paratrooper rule I just quoted says that paratroopers are like air units in every way, and ARE air units.

Therefore, paratroopers can be used as cannon fodder to shield your fighters/bombers from AAA fire.

[boldfresh]

Wow very powerful, esp for germany russia and italy.

[gamerman01]

UK and USA as well

You can use ally’s air bases

[gamerman01]

Shh!  Don’t tell Allweneed!

[Jeff28]

I wish they would have left the tech tokens. I think it would instantly balance the game without a bid. Allies like the USA have a lot of time to sit and wait usually and could roll for tech.

–Jeff

[Jeff28]

I also think tech should be rolled at the end of the turn and applied then to avoid the nasty surprise factor.

Or maybe you need to upgrade units at your or and allied powers airbase (air), factory (land) or naval base (sea) to use it.

[boldfresh]

@Jeff28:

I also think tech should be rolled at the end of the turn and applied then to avoid the nasty surprise factor.

Or maybe you need to upgrade units at your or and allied powers airbase (air), factory (land) or naval base (sea) to use it.

that’s the power of tech jeff!  that’s WHY gamer loves it so much  :-D

[Jeff28]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :9

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 artillery, 18 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            3 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 artillery moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus
            2 infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            1 bomber moved from Eastern Poland to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 artillery moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Belarus
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Belarus
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Belarus
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
                    AA guns fire in Belarus :  0/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 1 :  1/8 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 1 :  0/4 hits
                    1 aaGun owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 2 :  2/8 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Belarus, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Belarus
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Belarus, round 3 :  4/7 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Belarus, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians , 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Belarus
                Germans win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 artillery, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry
            Battle in Egypt
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Normandy Bordeaux, round 1 :  3/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 1 :  2/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the British , 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans win, taking Egypt from British with 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 infantry
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Germans attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Western Ukraine, round 1 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Western Ukraine
                Germans win, taking Western Ukraine from Russians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            1 armour moved from Finland to Karelia
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
            1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland
            5 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
            5 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
            1 armour moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Novgorod
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belarus to Novgorod
            1 bomber moved from Belarus to Western Germany
            1 bomber moved from Western Ukraine to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            3 infantry placed in Novgorod
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in France
            10 infantry placed in Germany
            3 infantry placed in Western Germany
            Germans undo move 3.
            7 infantry placed in Germany
            2 infantry placed in Yugoslavia
            1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone
            1 submarine placed in 113 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 49 PUs; end with 49 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 4 Presence In Egypt: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 54 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Egypt : 1 flag, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    Cyprus : 1 flag
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
    Western Germany : 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 2 fighters, 1 harbour, 3 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    Poland : 5 artilleries, 5 infantry and 5 mech_infantrys
    Germany : 1 factory_major and 8 infantry
    Belarus : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
    Karelia : 1 flag, 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry
    Baltic States : 1 flag
    Vyborg : 1 flag
    Eastern Poland : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 1 armour, 12 artilleries, 15 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Bessarabia : 1 flag
    Western Ukraine : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    Novgorod : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 armour, 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 3 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    125 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 submarine
    113 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    97 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    Yugoslavia : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor and 2 infantry
    98 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer and 1 transport
    Finland : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 49 / 64
    Russians : 27 / 36
    Japanese : 60 / 57
    Americans : 61 / 86
    Chinese : 0 / 5
    British : 32 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 5 / 5
    Italians : 14 / 20
    ANZAC : 13 / 18
    French : 4 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[gamerman01]

“Delayed” tech has been used by A&A players in previous A&A versions - like you’re describing.

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

that’s the power of tech jeff!  that’s WHY gamer loves it so much  :-D

Yep
Back in the day, that’s the way it was - we didn’t look at tech as an optional rule.  You could get multiple techs all at once, and if you got 3 dice, 3 hit heavy bombers, well, that’s the other guy’s problem  :-D

[boldfresh]

gamer’s tech history is legendary…  why ANYONE would ever play him a tech game is beyond me, but i’m glad they do, it sure is fun to watch.

[gamerman01]

Well, they don’t know my history.  But they learn real quick

[gamerman01]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round :9

Purchase Units - Russians
            Russians buy 8 infantry and 3 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 0 techTokens;

Combat Move - Russians
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Kansu
                  Chinese take Kansu from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Tsinghai
                  Chinese take Tsinghai from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Sikang
                  Chinese take Sikang from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
                  Russians take Bessarabia from Germans
            2 infantry moved from Archangel to Belarus
            1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Belarus
            1 fighter moved from Russia to Western Ukraine
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Western Ukraine
            1 artillery moved from Bryansk to Belarus
            1 artillery moved from Ukraine to Western Ukraine

Combat - Russians
            Battle in Western Ukraine
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 infantry
                Russians win, taking Western Ukraine from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry
            Battle in Belarus
                Russians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Russians win, taking Belarus from Germans with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Russians
            2 infantry moved from Rostov to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Eastern Persia
            1 armour moved from Kazakhstan to Eastern Persia
            1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Smolensk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Archangel to Smolensk
            3 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 aaGun moved from Ukraine to Bryansk
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Kazakhstan to Samara
            1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Vologda
            1 mech_infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            1 infantry moved from Turkmenistan to Kazakhstan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Bryansk
            1 mech_infantry moved from Bryansk to Smolensk
            1 fighter moved from Belarus to Russia
            1 fighter moved from Western Ukraine to Russia

Place Units - Russians
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Ukraine
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Volgograd
            4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia

Turn Complete - Russians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 98 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,3,2,4,2,2,2
            Russians collect 29 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 29 PUs total
            Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 6 PUs; end with 35 PUs