Would have posted this in the “Playable Nations in 1914” topic, but that got really off topic, so I made this new one.
Larry has said that there will be “many minor powers”
I’ve understood the term “power” in A&A as a playable nation.
So, how do you all think minor powers will be like in the game?
Would they all be playable individually?
Would all minor powers share their combat and movement in the same turn?
Or even be combined totally as a single player?
Maybe they aren’t really “powers”. Just territories that join a major power when that territory joins the war or perhaps act as a Pro-Allied or Pro-Central neutral when that territory/territories joins the war.
I hope they’re all individually playable, although I am really doubting that.
I’m thinking the minor powers are pro-axis or pro-allied neutrals.
I’m thinking the minor powers are pro-axis or pro-allied neutrals.
By which you mean Pro-central or pro-allied neutrals
yeah that too
Didn’t Larry already say that Neutrals will be controlled by the major powers? I assume Serbia by Russia and Portugal by GB or something like that.
I don’t think so. He just kept saying that there will be many minor powers.
And yeah, I was thinking if these minor powers are controlled by major powers, then Serbia and Montenegro would go to Russia and Portugal to Great Britain.
Maybe Romania to Russia?
Bulgaria to Germany…
Not sure about the others.
Remains to be seen if neutrals who didn’t take part in the war will be featured as possible participants, or just “impassable” areas.
Of these, only Spain would be any more than a single tt.
I hope we don’t get any of the Canada/Anzac/India as separate powers nonsense from Global.
Belgium would be in effect a British satellite.
On the other hand, LH may be planning for Luxembourg and Rio de Oro to have their own massed armies.
Remains to be seen if neutrals who didn’t take part in the war will be featured as possible participants, or just “impassable” areas.
Of these, only Spain would be any more than a single tt.I hope we don’t get any of the Canada/Anzac/India as separate powers nonsense from Global.
Belgium would be in effect a British satellite.
On the other hand, LH may be planning for Luxembourg and Rio de Oro to have their own massed armies.
Canada/Anzac/India as seperate powers(or Bavaria/Saxony) would be an uncessary complication but the part of the
Great War that always appealed to me was variety of Units that made up some of the major Empires.
So I expect I’ll be doing slightly different paint jobs to represent these units.
OD
I hope we don’t get any of the Canada/Anzac/India as separate powers nonsense from Global.
One historical factor which would support these countries not being treated as separate powers in the WWI game is that, in WWI, they did not declare war independently. As part of the British Empire, they didn’t have their own foreign policies; they were pulled into the war by Britain’s declaration of war. Also, their forces in WWI operated to a large degree under British command. In WWII, as a result of the 1931 Statute of Westminster, they declared war independently from Britain.
Pfftp.
Clearly Canada was the most important country of the war.
I mean, America shouldn’t even be in the game (Sarcasm). They didn’t even show up until the war was already over.
Depending on the size of the board, you can pimp colonial units from the ever expanding HaT range:
http://www.hat.com/currentW.html
But, yes, part of my thinking is that each and every infantry unit will have a national designation based on the area its raised in.
So the Austrian army would have anything up to 8 nationalities. The British army in the Middle East would be largely Indian and Anzac units.
Regarding WWII, I’m not convinced that the Commonwealth units were that much more independent, but for the old games starting 1942 I put Anzacs under American control due to the Allied SWP command:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Pacific_Area_(command)
I’m thinking the minor powers are pro-axis or pro-allied neutrals.
/thread. that is exactly what Larry means
Looking at the map it seems that:
Serbia and Romania are same colour as Russia;
Bulgaria is same colour as Turkey;
Portugal and (colonies) is same colour as France;
Arabia is UK colour.
Can’t make out the rest, presumably Belgium starts UK or French.
There are neutrals such as Spain, Sweden and Persia which never joined the war.
It remains to be seen if the same colour means they start in effect at war, or it just indicates who controls them when they do join.
Also, UK units are a closer colour to neutral countries than as their own tts…
Best Guess, then:
Start as Allied: Belgium (France), Serbia & Montenegro (Russia)
Join Allies after turn 2(1915): Italy
Join Allies after turn 3(1916): Portugal (France), Arabia (UK) & Romania (Russia)
Join Allies after turn 4(1917): USA, Greece?
Neutral: Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Abyssinia, Persia, Albania, Afghanistan, Greece?
Join CP after turn 1(1914): Turkey
Join CP after turn 2(1915): Bulgaria
Greece is a difficult one; they supposedly had an alliance with Serbia, but had a pro-German king who refused to join the Allies. Otherwise its difficult to assign “pro” status to any of the other neutrals who didn’t actually take part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Modern_Greece#World_War_I
I’m assuming Switzerland is neutral and impassable - cannot be invaded, but this may not be so.
A longer chronology (1 turn = 3 months) gives us the following historical timetable:
start of turn:
2 - Turkey joins CP
4 - Italy joins Allies
5 - Bulgaria joins CP (possibly Allies now allowed into Greece - ref Salonika)
6 - Senussi Revolt (anti-Allied)
7 - Portugal joins Allies
8 - Arab Revolt (anti-CP)
9 - Romania joins Allies
10 - US Election (Republican win - USA joins Allies)
11 - USA joins Allies
12 - Greece joins Allies
13 - Liberia joins Allies (doesn’t seem to be on the map)
14 - Bolshevik Revolution - Russia collapses into civil war
Interested to see if the game has a set limit on turns, i.e. after turn 20? you count up income or VCs to determine a winner.
Different system:
A longer chronology (1 turn = 3 months) gives us the following historical timetable:
start of turn:
2 - Turkey joins CP
4 - Italy joins Allies
5 - Bulgaria joins CP (possibly Allies now allowed into Greece - ref Salonika)
6 - Senussi Revolt (anti-Allied)
7 - Portugal joins Allies
8 - Arab Revolt (anti-CP)
9 - Romania joins Allies11 - USA joins Allies
12 - Greece joins Allies
13 - Liberia joins Allies (doesn’t seem to be on the map)
14 - Bolshevik Revolution - Russia collapses into civil warInterested to see if the game has a set limit on turns, i.e. after turn 20? you count up income or VCs to determine a winner.
Different system:
well that tells us one thing for sure. 1 turn does NOT equal 3 months because USA enters the war on turn 4
Still don’t see how US can enter that early.
If Larry wanted to fast track to the USA getting in the war earlier perhaps the game should have been “Axis and Allies 1917”.
This would mean:
All major nations already at war (no need for political rules)
Weapons such as tanks and fighters would already be in production (no need for tech schedule)
Starting in April 1917, Russia would still be in the war, but on it’s last legs. The CP would have to deliver a KO blow to France or Russia before the Americans get mobilized.
But then, any scenario that has a scheduled US entry is essentially the same thing.
Perhaps a 1917 scenario will be included.
No it’s because the turns are not based on rigid turns of ‘time’, rather it is based on what makes sense for the game from a balancing standpoint.
I guarantee you no other scenario will be included, thank god.
But if the USA can come in when Russia is still strong, what chance can the CP possibly stand?
Unless it starts with stacks, and stacks, and stacks, and stacks of infantry…
Because Russia falls into revolution without another set of “red pieces” that adds nothing to anything. They just retire from the game like they did in History.
Even if they’re at the very gates of Berlin?
Sorry, Ivan, but the game balance requires that your entire army collapses at this point, so you all you Russkis have to disappear into thin air.
Politics, politics.
