X-DAP-04 TeamBoldDutch vs. Ancients for 1945

[Me1945]

If you bid, say, Allies +14 and our team is unwilling both accept it and bid Allies +13, what you are suggesting in such a case? My suggestion is a coin.

[boldfresh]

If we bid 14 and you dont want to go to 13 then we get it at 14.  If instead u flipped a coin when we bid 14 then u r saying the winner of the coin flip gets the allies at 14?

[Me1945]

I need to talk to my teammates. We either go the way you see it or decline the bidding and flip the coin.

[boldfresh]

If u dont bid and just flip a coin then what do the allies get, just a bomber?  That doesnt make much sense…  im lost.  Maybe dutch can make sense of what you are saying.  I dont know why we dont just bid.  Are you saying you think 1 ipc can make such a huge difference?

[Cow]

When you flip a coin, you are playing without a bid… but you technically get a russian bomber because that’s garg’s extra pain and death rule.

Usually when you accept a bidding system you agree to a negotiation and have to accept how that goes. Just because you bid down to 3 and your opponent says ok you have it… all of a sudden you don’t want it at 3… you now you want to flip for 0 or flip to give them allies @ 3?  That is ridiculous.

You may as well just flip for sides.

Or you agree to a flip and just negotiate what the allies should get… then flip it for sides.

[lexgreat]

no external three cents, thank you very much. calm down all, as Me1945 said we will discuss this among us. nothing written so far here is set in stone, and above that I dont see why the hurry (other than Bold wanting to start yesterday). we will all agree upon something agreeable to all.

[boldfresh]

@alexgreat:

no external three cents, thank you very much. calm down all, as Me1945 said we will discuss this among us. nothing written so far here is set in stone, and above that I dont see why the hurry (other than Bold wanting to start yesterday). we will all agree upon something agreeable to all.

I dont want to start yesterday alex just wanted to get the preliminaries underway - as you can see, that alone can take some time.  The match will not begin in earnest until after jan 1.

Cheers

[lexgreat]

we will agree with your suggestion or come up with an alternative in the fastest time possible for us.

[boldfresh]

@alexgreat:

we will agree with your suggestion or come up with an alternative in the fastest time possible for us.

Sounds good.  Are you all in the continental US?  What are your schedules like?  Are you able to coordinate readily or will turns requiring coordination take several days?

[lexgreat]

no, I am from Europe.

[Me1945]

Back to my example. If you give us an option to flip a coin to decide who gets Allies for the last bid amount which is 14 PUs in the example, not for zero, I’am confirming our starting bid Allies +15. If you are saying Ancients, you can only post a lower bid or accept the current one , let me know and I give you another bid shortly. In any scenario, when a bid is accepted, negotiations are over, no any coins, and game begins.

[boldfresh]

@Me1945:

Back to my example. If you give us an option to flip a coin to decide who gets Allies for the last bid amount which is 14 PUs in the example, not for zero, I’am confirming our starting bid Allies +15. If you are saying Ancients, you can only post a lower bid or accept the current one , let me know and I give you another bid shortly. In any scenario, when a bid is accepted, negotiations are over, no any coins, and game begins.

so IF we were to bid +14 (we are NOT making an active bid since I have yet to speak to my partner), what are you saying the next possible steps would be?  in my mind you either give it to us at 14 or you bid lower, no coin flips.

[Me1945]

what are you saying the next possible steps would be?

The next step could be accepting, posting lower bid, or coin to decide who takes Allis with the last bid amount. That is just our proposal. Feel free to decline it and we can go with your mind. I need to know. Our starting bid depends on your decision.

[Cow]

you guys should just keep things simple: accept the opponent bid or bid lower. no coin flipping lol.

Although if ancients insists on the coin flip thing, I would if I were bolddutch… bid like 6 and see what happens lol. That way if they flip you are good either way LOL.

[Me1945]

Ancients insist on nothing. I’m waiting you to confirm the only “accept the opponent bid or bid lower” rule.

[boldfresh]

@Me1945:

Ancients insist on nothing. I’m waiting you to confirm the only “accept the opponent bid or bid lower” rule.

let’s keep it simple and say we will go with the “accept the opponent bid or bid lower” rule if you are ok with that?  if so, go ahead and submit a new bid if you like.

[Me1945]

Allies +6

[boldfresh]

@Me1945:

Allies +6

a very shrewd bid, as this is the amount I had in mind to bid in response to your +15 bid.  i will confer with my partner, the Dutch one, and get back to you.

[Me1945]

For your further references.
It is good idea not to rush with rolling a dice and stipulate a bidding step first. I don’t think our team took the advantage of bidding first fully.

[boldfresh]

Me1945:

I don’t understand, again.  I’m not sure what you mean by rushing…  if we are bidding, which is the tournament rule, then one must decide who will bid first.  You WON the die roll to bid first, and gave a bid of allies +15.  Then I gave you the option to change your bid once we clarified that there would be no “coin flipping” and you bid allies +6.

Are you now not feeling good about your bid of +6?  I don’t believe there was any discussion of a deadline by which a bid must be put forth?

Can one of the Ancients please explain what Me1945 is trying to say - I surely want everyone to feel like all was done fairly before we begin the match.  I find it hard to understand how one could say that TeamBoldDutch has done anything underhanded but please let me know if you feel otherwise.

Cheers