BotA - r3 - 270BC - Ajmdemen .vs. Pug6000

[Ajmdemen]

I didn’t spot any serious mistakes (apart from the Athens rnd 1 mayhaps).

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Seleucid
            Seleucid buy 1 bireme, 4 cavalrys and 16 peltastss; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Seleucid
            1 peltasts moved from Antioch to Edessa
            1 peltasts moved from Antioch to Emesa
            1 cavalry and 2 peltastss moved from Antioch to Sidon
            3 peltastss moved from Tarsus to Antioch
            4 peltastss moved from Antioch to Damascus
            2 cavalrys moved from Antioch to Damascus
            1 cavalry, 4 hoplites and 3 peltastss moved from Sardis to Nicaea
            1 cataphract moved from Pessinus to Nicaea

Combat - Seleucid
            Battle in Nicaea
                Seleucid attack with 1 cataphract, 1 cavalry, 4 hoplites and 3 peltastss
                Neutral defend with 4 spearmen
                Seleucid win, taking Nicaea from Neutral with 1 cataphract, 1 cavalry, 4 hoplites and 2 peltastss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10
                Casualties for Seleucid: 1 peltasts
                Casualties for Neutral: 4 spearmen
            Battle in Sidon
                Seleucid attack with 1 cavalry and 2 peltastss
                Egypt defend with 2 axemen
                Seleucid win, taking Sidon from Egypt with 1 cavalry and 2 peltastss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Egypt: 2 axemen

Non Combat Move - Seleucid

Place Units - Seleucid
            11 peltastss placed in Antioch
            5 peltastss placed in Damascus
            4 cavalrys placed in Tarsus
            1 bireme placed in SZ 61

Turn Complete - Seleucid
            Seleucid collect 56 PUs; end with 58 PUs total

Territory Summary for Seleucid :

Pessinus : 1 flag
    Damascus : 1 flag, 3 cataphracts, 15 cavalrys, 1 city, 12 hoplites, 6 legionaires and 20 peltastss
    Edessa : 1 flag, 1 peltasts
    Antioch : 1 flag, 1 city and 14 peltastss
    SZ 61 : 1 flag, 4 biremes and 1 trireme
    Tarsus : 1 flag, 4 cavalrys and 1 city
    Nicaea : 1 flag, 1 cataphract, 1 cavalry, 4 hoplites and 2 peltastss
    Sidon : 1 flag, 1 cavalry and 2 peltastss
    Emesa : 1 flag, 1 peltasts

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 65 / 65
    RomanRepublic : 65 / 87
    GreekCityStates : 25 / 31
    Macedonia : 36 / 37
    Egypt : 38 / 47
    Seleucid : 56 / 58
    Parthia : 64 / 71
    Numidia : 24 / 25

[Ajmdemen]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Parthia
            Parthia buy 14 cavalrys and 1 city; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Parthia
            2 cavalrys and 5 horsearchers moved from Teredon to Euphrates
            4 cavalrys moved from Vologesia to Euphrates
            1 spearman moved from Hatra to Edessa
            1 cavalry moved from Ninive to Edessa
            1 spearman moved from Hatra to Emesa
            1 cavalry moved from Ninive to Emesa
            2 spearmen moved from Ninive to Amida
            2 cataphracts moved from Ninive to Amida
            1 cataphract and 1 cavalry moved from Ninive to Amida
            1 spearman moved from Ninive to Amida
            1 spearman moved from Hatra to Edessa
            1 spearman moved from Hatra to Emesa
            2 archers moved from Ninive to Amida
            6 archers and 8 spearmen moved from Hatra to Amida
            7 cavalrys moved from Persepolis to Seleucia

Combat - Parthia
            Battle in Edessa
                Parthia attack with 1 cavalry and 2 spearmen
                Seleucid defend with 1 peltasts
                Parthia win, taking Edessa from Seleucid with 1 cavalry and 2 spearmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Seleucid: 1 peltasts
            Battle in Amida
                Parthia attack with 8 archers, 3 cataphracts, 1 cavalry and 11 spearmen
                Neutral defend with 2 archers and 4 spearmen
                1 cavalry owned by the Parthia , 3 cataphracts owned by the Parthia , 8 spearmen owned by the Parthia and 8 archers owned by the Parthia retreated to Hatra
                Neutral win with 1 archer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 archer and 4 spearmen
                Casualties for Parthia: 3 spearmen
            Battle in Euphrates
                Parthia attack with 6 cavalrys and 5 horsearchers
                Neutral defend with 4 spearmen
                Parthia win, taking Euphrates from Neutral with 5 cavalrys and 5 horsearchers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Neutral: 4 spearmen
                Casualties for Parthia: 1 cavalry
            Battle in Emesa
                Parthia attack with 1 cavalry and 2 spearmen
                Seleucid defend with 1 peltasts
                Parthia win, taking Emesa from Seleucid with 1 cavalry and 2 spearmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Seleucid: 1 peltasts

Non Combat Move - Parthia

Place Units - Parthia
            10 cavalrys placed in Seleucia
            4 cavalrys placed in Persepolis
            1 city placed in Hatra

Turn Complete - Parthia
            Parthia collect 75 PUs; end with 75 PUs total

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :3

Purchase Units - Numidia
            Numidia buy 8 spearmen; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Numidia
            2 spearmen moved from Cartenna to Siga
            6 cavalrys moved from Cartenna to Zama
            2 cavalrys moved from Siga to Cirta
            1 archer and 5 spearmen moved from Thenae to Sabrata
            2 archers, 3 spearmen and 3 swordmen moved from Capsa to Thenae
            2 spearmen moved from Leptis Magna to Berenice
            2 biremes moved from SZ 31 to SZ 32

Combat - Numidia
            Battle in Sabrata
                Numidia attack with 1 archer and 5 spearmen
                Neutral defend with 1 archer and 1 spearman
                Numidia win, taking Sabrata from Neutral with 1 archer and 3 spearmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 archer and 1 spearman
                Casualties for Numidia: 2 spearmen

Non Combat Move - Numidia

Place Units - Numidia
            4 spearmen placed in Cyrene
            4 spearmen placed in Leptis Magna

Turn Complete - Numidia
            Numidia collect 25 PUs; end with 26 PUs total

Territory Summary for Numidia :

Siwa : 1 flag, 2 archers, 8 cavalrys and 7 spearmen
    Siga : 1 flag, 1 cavalry and 4 spearmen
    Thenae : 1 flag, 2 archers, 3 spearmen and 3 swordmen
    Berenice : 1 flag, 2 spearmen
    Cartenna : 1 flag
    Sabrata : 1 flag, 1 archer and 3 spearmen
    Cyrene : 1 flag, 1 city and 4 spearmen
    Auzia : 1 flag
    SZ 32 : 1 flag, 2 biremes
    Cirta : 1 flag, 2 cavalrys
    Zama : 1 flag, 6 cavalrys
    Leptis Magna : 1 flag, 1 city and 4 spearmen

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 65 / 65
    RomanRepublic : 65 / 87
    GreekCityStates : 25 / 31
    Macedonia : 36 / 37
    Egypt : 38 / 47
    Seleucid : 47 / 58
    Parthia : 75 / 75
    Numidia : 25 / 26

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - Carthage
            Carthage buy 4 biremes, 4 cavalrys and 5 swordmen; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Carthage
            1 warelephant moved from Thapsus to SZ 36
            1 swordman moved from Carthago to SZ 36
            1 cavalry moved from Thapsus to Carthago
            1 swordman, 1 trireme and 1 warelephant moved from SZ 36 to SZ 33
            1 swordman and 1 warelephant moved from SZ 33 to Lilybaeum
            1 hoplite and 4 swordmen moved from Syracuse to Lilybaeum
            1 trireme moved from SZ 33 to SZ 32
            1 spearman moved from Carthago to SZ 32
            1 spearman moved from SZ 32 to Caralis
                  Carthage take Caralis from RomanRepublic
            5 biremes and 1 trireme moved from SZ 27 to SZ 33
            1 trireme moved from SZ 33 to SZ 32
            6 spearmen moved from Lilybaeum to Syracuse
            1 swordman moved from Valentia to SZ 17
            1 spearman moved from Palma to SZ 17
            4 cavalrys moved from Carthago Nova to Toletum
            2 spearmen moved from Tarraco to Toletum
            4 cavalrys, 2 spearmen and 9 swordmen moved from Tarraco to Barcino
            2 biremes, 1 spearman and 1 swordman moved from SZ 17 to SZ 18
            1 spearman and 1 swordman moved from SZ 18 to Barcino

Combat - Carthage
            Battle in Barcino
                Carthage attack with 4 cavalrys, 3 spearmen and 10 swordmen
                Neutral defend with 1 axeman, 1 cavalry and 3 swordmen
                Carthage win, taking Barcino from Neutral with 4 cavalrys, 1 spearman and 10 swordmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 13
                Casualties for Neutral: 1 axeman, 1 cavalry and 3 swordmen
                Casualties for Carthage: 2 spearmen
            Battle in Toletum
                Carthage attack with 4 cavalrys and 2 spearmen
                Neutral defend with 4 cavalrys
                Carthage win, taking Toletum from Neutral with 4 cavalrys and 2 spearmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16
                Casualties for Neutral: 4 cavalrys

Non Combat Move - Carthage

Place Units - Carthage
            5 swordmen placed in Lilybaeum
            4 biremes placed in SZ 32
            4 cavalrys placed in Carthago Nova

Turn Complete - Carthage
            Carthage collect 75 PUs; end with 76 PUs total

Territory Summary for Carthage :

Barcino : 1 flag, 4 cavalrys, 1 spearman and 10 swordmen
    Thenae : 1 flag
    Salmantica : 1 flag
    Caralis : 1 flag, 1 spearman
    Tarraco : 1 flag
    Castulo : 1 flag
    Carthago Nova : 1 flag, 4 cavalrys and 1 city
    Toletum : 1 flag, 4 cavalrys and 2 spearmen
    Carthago : 1 flag, 1 cavalry, 1 city and 1 swordman
    Syracuse : 1 flag, 15 spearmen and 1 warelephant
    SZ 33 : 1 flag, 5 biremes and 3 triremes
    SZ 32 : 1 flag, 4 biremes and 2 triremes
    SZ 18 : 1 flag, 2 biremes
    Lilybaeum : 1 flag, 2 cavalrys, 1 city, 1 hoplite, 3 spearmen, 14 swordmen and 2 warelephants
    Valentia : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 75 / 76
    RomanRepublic : 61 / 87
    GreekCityStates : 25 / 31
    Macedonia : 36 / 37
    Egypt : 38 / 47
    Seleucid : 47 / 58
    Parthia : 75 / 75
    Numidia : 25 / 26

[pug6000]

@Ajmdemen:

I didn’t spot any serious mistakes (apart from the Athens rnd 1 mayhaps).

But in that case the map is seriously unbalanced. A difference of 10 to 20% of income and the only one major mistake was not to punish bad dicing luck and one small mistake leads to that conclusion for me.

Of course I can see a few mistakes on my side

• Sicilia could be taken one turn earlier (or least Greece could be denied to retake Syracuse one turn earlier) - not much difference.
• Seleucia has to force the fall of Salamis / Cyprus - nice difference.

I just try to understand this map.

[Ajmdemen]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - RomanRepublic
            RomanRepublic buy 12 biremes; Remaining resources: 3 PUs;

Combat Move - RomanRepublic
            8 biremes and 2 triremes moved from SZ 25 to SZ 28
            1 legionaire moved from Tarentum to SZ 45
            1 legionaire moved from SZ 45 to Dodona
            12 legionaires moved from Patavium to Senio
            2 ballistas moved from Patavium to Senio
            2 legionaires and 12 velitess moved from Roma to Capua

Combat - RomanRepublic
            Battle in Senio
                RomanRepublic attack with 2 ballistas and 12 legionaires
                Neutral defend with 3 swordmen
                RomanRepublic win, taking Senio from Neutral with 2 ballistas and 11 legionaires remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Neutral: 3 swordmen
                Casualties for RomanRepublic: 1 legionaire
            Battle in Dodona
                RomanRepublic attack with 1 legionaire
                Macedonia defend with 2 cavalrys
                Macedonia win with 2 cavalrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for RomanRepublic: 1 legionaire

Non Combat Move - RomanRepublic

Place Units - RomanRepublic
            9 biremes placed in SZ 28
            3 biremes placed in SZ 28

Turn Complete - RomanRepublic
            RomanRepublic collect 64 PUs; end with 67 PUs total

[Ajmdemen]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - GreekCityStates
            GreekCityStates buy 15 slingerss; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - GreekCityStates
            6 slingerss moved from Sparta to SZ 67
            3 slingerss and 1 trireme moved from SZ 67 to SZ 68
            3 slingerss moved from SZ 68 to Sardis
            3 slingerss and 1 trireme moved from SZ 67 to SZ 68
            3 slingerss moved from SZ 68 to Athens
            4 slingerss moved from Rhodos to SZ 68
            4 slingerss moved from SZ 68 to Athens
            1 hoplite and 4 slingerss moved from Athens to Delphi

Combat - GreekCityStates
            Battle in Sardis
                GreekCityStates attack with 3 slingerss
                Macedonia defend with 1 peltasts
                GreekCityStates win, taking Sardis from Seleucid with 3 slingerss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Macedonia: 1 peltasts
            Battle in Delphi
                GreekCityStates attack with 1 hoplite and 4 slingerss
                Macedonia defend with 2 cavalrys and 1 peltasts
                GreekCityStates win, taking Delphi from Macedonia with 1 hoplite and 3 slingerss remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for Macedonia: 2 cavalrys and 1 peltasts
                Casualties for GreekCityStates: 1 slingers

Non Combat Move - GreekCityStates

Place Units - GreekCityStates
            7 slingerss placed in Athens
            5 slingerss placed in Rhodos
            3 slingerss placed in Sparta

Turn Complete - GreekCityStates
            GreekCityStates collect 36 PUs; end with 37 PUs total

[Ajmdemen]

I don’t really think it is unbalanced, as Carthage’s naval initiative counts for a lot. Though now I think I managed to subdue that and it might be hard from here.

[pug6000]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - Macedonia
            Macedonia buy 1 bireme and 15 peltastss; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Macedonia
            3 peltastss and 2 swordmen moved from Larissa to Delphi
            2 cavalrys moved from Dodona to Larissa
            1 swordman moved from Larissa to Dodona
            6 peltastss moved from Thessalonica to Larissa

Combat - Macedonia
            Battle in Delphi
                Macedonia attack with 3 peltastss and 2 swordmen
                GreekCityStates defend with 1 hoplite and 3 slingerss
                Macedonia win, taking Delphi from GreekCityStates with 2 swordmen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for GreekCityStates: 1 hoplite and 3 slingerss
                Casualties for Macedonia: 3 peltastss

Non Combat Move - Macedonia

Place Units - Macedonia
            1 bireme placed in SZ 69
            6 peltastss placed in Larissa
            5 peltastss placed in Thessalonica
            4 peltastss placed in Odessus

Turn Complete - Macedonia
            Macedonia collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUs total

Territory Summary for Macedonia :

Thessalonica : 1 flag, 1 city and 5 peltastss
    Larissa : 1 flag, 6 cavalrys, 1 city, 10 hoplites and 29 peltastss
    Pergamum : 1 flag
    Delphi : 1 flag, 2 swordmen
    SZ 69 : 1 flag, 6 biremes and 1 trireme
    Odessus : 1 flag, 1 city and 4 peltastss
    Dodona : 1 flag, 1 swordman

Production/PUs Summary :

Carthage : 75 / 76
    RomanRepublic : 64 / 67
    GreekCityStates : 32 / 37
    Macedonia : 36 / 36
    Egypt : 38 / 47
    Seleucid : 40 / 58
    Parthia : 75 / 75
    Numidia : 25 / 26

[pug6000]

@Ajmdemen:

I don’t really think it is unbalanced, as Carthage’s naval initiative counts for a lot.

So Carthage was my main mistake? I am still trying to find the strategy I have to change in the next game.

Rome can hold for a long time by building fortresses, while the East seems to fall quite soon. Salamis also looks quite critical to me. But even if I had taken it, I am not sure, that Seleucia could hold nearly as long as Rome.

[Ajmdemen]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: 270BC, version: 1.1.2

Game History

Round :4

Purchase Units - Egypt
            Egypt buy 1 archer, 3 axemen, 1 bireme and 9 spearmen; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Egypt
            3 biremes and 2 triremes moved from SZ 60 to SZ 62
            1 spearman moved from Salamis to SZ 62
            1 spearman moved from SZ 62 to Attalia
                  Egypt take Attalia from Seleucid
            3 axemen moved from Jerusalem to Sidon
            1 axeman moved from Jerusalem to Sidon

Combat - Egypt
            Battle in Sidon
                Egypt attack with 4 axemen
                Seleucid defend with 1 cavalry and 2 peltastss
                Egypt win, taking Sidon from Seleucid with 2 axemen remaining. Battle score for attacker is 2
                Casualties for Egypt: 2 axemen
                Casualties for Seleucid: 1 cavalry and 2 peltastss

Non Combat Move - Egypt

Place Units - Egypt
            1 archer and 7 spearmen placed in Jerusalem
            1 bireme placed in SZ 62
            2 axemen placed in Alexandria
            1 axeman and 2 spearmen placed in Salamis

Turn Complete - Egypt
            Egypt collect 50 PUs; end with 50 PUs total

[Ajmdemen]

Well, I didn’t like their moves so far. But I don’t like to discuss ongoing games too much, especially when I take part.

[pug6000]

I surrender the game