XDAP-03 : Invisible Greens vs QCoorrantineV (bidding and game)

[coorran]

I’ll try really hard tonight.

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 10 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 2 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 101 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Iceland
            1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 2 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 66 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - Americans
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Quebec to 106 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries, 4 infantry and 4 transports moved from 106 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from 123 Sea Zone to Iceland

Place Units - Americans
            10 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber placed in Eastern United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 54 PUs total
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 74 PUs

Territory Summary for Americans :

Wake Island : 1 airfield
    Western United States : 1 aaGun, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major and 1 harbour
    Alaska : 3 mech_infantrys
    Hawaiian Islands : 1 airfield, 3 armour, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 9 infantry
    Midway : 1 airfield
    26 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 4 carriers, 1 cruiser, 5 destroyers, 6 fighters, 4 submarines, 2 tactical_bombers and 3 transports
    10 Sea Zone : 10 submarines
    63 Sea Zone : 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport
    Central United States : 1 factory_major
    Eastern United States : 3 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Iceland : 1 armour, 3 artilleries, 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
    Tobruk : 1 flag
    123 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 4 transports
    Brazil : 1 flag, 2 infantry
    98 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 2 transports

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 26 / 29
    Japanese : 70 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 5 / 10
    British : 34 / 61
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 16 / 25
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
            1 fighter moved from Hopei to Shensi
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Szechwan
                  Chinese take Szechwan from Japanese
            4 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Hopei to Chahar
            1 infantry moved from Kweichow to Shensi

Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Shensi
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 mech_infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Shensi, round 1 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Shensi, round 1 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Chinese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Shensi
                Chinese win, taking Shensi from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 4 artilleries and 10 infantry
                Japanese defend with 2 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 4 artilleries and 10 infantry in Chahar, round 1 :  6/14 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 infantry in Chahar, round 1 :  0/2 hits
                    2 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
                Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 4 artilleries and 10 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 infantry

Non Combat Move - Chinese
            1 fighter moved from Shensi to Kansu

Place Units - Chinese
            1 infantry placed in Kansu
            1 infantry placed in Kansu
            1 infantry placed in Chahar

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 8 PUs; end with 9 PUs total

Territory Summary for Chinese :

Shensi : 1 infantry
    Kansu : 1 fighter and 2 infantry
    Szechwan : 1 infantry
    Chahar : 4 artilleries and 11 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 26 / 29
    Japanese : 67 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 8 / 9
    British : 34 / 61
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 16 / 25
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 106 Sea Zone to 123 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Scotland
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo Egyptian Sudan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern Persia to Iraq
            1 mech_infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            1 armour and 2 artilleries moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Tobruk to 96 Sea Zone
            1 armour, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Non Combat Move - British
            1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Egypt to 98 Sea Zone

Place Units - British
            1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Egypt
            5 fighters placed in United Kingdom
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from United Kingdom: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Scotland: 3 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs total

Territory Summary for British :

Belgian Congo : 1 artillery and 1 infantry
    Iceland : 1 airfield
    Quebec : 1 factory_minor
    Trans-Jordan : 1 armour and 1 infantry
    New Brunswick Nova Scotia : 1 harbour
    Egypt : 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
    Union of South Africa : 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
    Scotland : 1 airfield, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
    United Kingdom : 5 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 5 fighters, 1 harbour, 10 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    Anglo Egyptian Sudan : 1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys
    Libya : 1 flag
    Ethiopia : 1 flag
    123 Sea Zone : 1 destroyer
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    109 Sea Zone : 1 submarine
    Iraq : 1 flag, 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
    Eastern Persia : 1 flag
    72 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Northwest Persia : 1 flag
    Persia : 1 flag
    98 Sea Zone : 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 transport

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 26 / 29
    Japanese : 67 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 8 / 9
    British : 34 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 16 / 25
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

Territory Summary for UK_Pacific :

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 26 / 29
    Japanese : 67 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 8 / 9
    British : 34 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 16 / 25
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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Do you have a specific order of loss for  Z98 or shll we just go wih triplea suggestions and make losses according to combat strength?

[Gully]

…well, here’s our Combatmove. Can you give us the OOL in the seabattle (do you want to keep a Carrier intact)? You can also make conditions like “if Italy makes at least 5 hits in the first round then kill our Carrier” or “if we make more hits than Italy we’ll keep one USA-Carrier”.

And happy new year!

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There may be some changes in the smaller attacks and production. But you can use the attack in Z98 as is.

[coorran]

OOL:

BB, US AC, DD, US AC 2nd hit, US CRU, UK CRU, US FTR, UK AC 1st and 2nd hit, BB 2nd hit, 3 UK FTR

[Gully]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 artillery, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 unit repaired.
            1 battleship, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 submarines moved from 95 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 98 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 95 Sea Zone
            4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 95 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
            2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Libya
            1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Belarus

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Belarus
                Italians attack with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Belarus from Russians with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Battle in Libya
            Battle in Malta
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 battleship, 1 bomber, 1 carrier, 2 cruisers, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters, 4 infantry and 1 transport; Americans defend with 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter and 2 transports
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Italians
                1 battleship owned by the Italians and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians retreated to 96 Sea Zone
                British win, taking Libya from British, taking Malta from British with 2 fighters and 3 transports remaining. Battle score for attacker is 26
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
                Casualties for Italians: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 fighters and 2 submarines
                Casualties for Americans: 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 1 fighter
                2 fighters owned by the British forced to land in Egypt

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 carrier and 2 fighters moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 91 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone
            1 fighter placed in Southern Italy
            1 artillery and 1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 18 PUs total
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 23 PUs

[Gully]

…well, Sir, yes Sir!

I landed your british fgt’s in Egypt. Feel free to edit them over to Syria/Transjordan/Alexandria if you like :)

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I just noticed we should have gotten the 5 ICP for having no allied surface warships in the med. I think I read in the manual that transports don’t count as warships. It seems triplea doesn’t acknowledge it like that. I think I’m going to write a PN to Veqryn and find out if this is intentional. I’ll come back to you once I have an answer.

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So Veqrin says that Italy should have gotten the NO. Apparently the UK inf in the seazone cause it to bug. Here’s a copy of the PM from him:

it is the infantry that stop it from going through

i guess noone has ever caught that bug before because everyone offloads infantry before the end of their turn
(so it was only caught once you used uk inf on a non-uk transport)

anyway, i’ll fix in the next version

until then, watch for it and give yourself +5

So I would like to edit in those 5 ICP extra for Italy. If you’d rather have kept the BB to prevent the NO until next round let us know. Though it’s a similar situation than the one before where you had to decide it before you saw you own defending dice succes in round 2 so it would probably be more consistent if we kept to your original OOL.

[coorran]

I’m goo with that. Tough luck…

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Hmm… You could have hit maybe one unit more and we could have hit one or 2 less. Germany would still be able to finish the job not just so cheaply and you could have a slightly better chance to sink our fleet but it wouldn’t be cheap for you too I think. You can do ANZAC and France we’ll edit in the ICP during Germanys turn since it doesn’t matter when we do it as long as it is boefore Italys next turn. You can edit it in too though if you like.

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Okay I got impatient and edited it in here’s the save with the change

[coorran]

I had done the batle calculator (like you, I assume  :-) ), and I had, on average 1.5 more unit left than the attacker + 3 TRN (meaning losing ALL units for Italy). Instead, you get away with 4 units (and an undammaged AC, so it’s like 5 units). That’s tough luck!

That being said, dice is dice for everyone!

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 transport moved from 63 Sea Zone to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from New South Wales to South Australia
            2 infantry moved from South Australia to Queensland

Combat - ANZAC

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 63 Sea Zone to New Zealand

Place Units - ANZAC
            1 fighter placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 10 PUs; end with 10 PUs total

Territory Summary for ANZAC :

Queensland : 1 airfield, 1 fighter, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
    New Zealand : 1 airfield, 1 artillery, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
    New South Wales : 1 factory_minor, 1 fighter and 1 harbour
    South Australia : 2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry
    26 Sea Zone : 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and 2 fighters
    63 Sea Zone : 1 transport
    62 Sea Zone : 1 submarine

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 25 / 29
    Japanese : 67 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 8 / 9
    British : 33 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 18 / 28
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

[coorran]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.4

Game History

Round :7

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            2 infantry moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

Territory Summary for French :

Alexandria : 2 infantry
    United Kingdom : 2 infantry
    Iraq : 1 fighter and 1 infantry

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 44 / 58
    Russians : 25 / 29
    Japanese : 67 / 80
    Americans : 52 / 74
    Chinese : 8 / 9
    British : 33 / 34
    UK_Pacific : 0 / 0
    Italians : 18 / 28
    ANZAC : 10 / 10
    French : 8 / 0
    Dutch : 0 / 0
    Mongolians : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0
    Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0
    Neutral_True : 18 / 0

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@coorran:

I had done the batle calculator (like you, I assume  :-) ), and I had, on average 1.5 more unit left than the attacker + 3 TRN (meaning losing ALL units for Italy). Instead, you get away with 4 units (and an undammaged AC, so it’s like 5 units). That’s tough luck!

That being said, dice is dice for everyone!

The DD and carrier couldn’t participate in the battle because of range so those would have been there anyway. we had three survivors instead of 0-1 and you had 2 instead of I don’t know maybe 3-4. An attack on a carrier with 2 fighters and a dd with 4fighter and 1 tac could still have gone wrong and we could have sunk your surviving BB with 4fighter, 1tac of Germany anyway maybe even without losing anything. So yes we were lucky but not that much above average to really matter all that much.