I went when I was really young. I think I mainly visited resorts and amusement parks.
Should the Draft be extended to Women?
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A draft would mean possibly full battalions or even divisions of infantry of women. I doubt the generation of our leaders could handle the fact that in a combat situation where large groups of female units (in the 100’s or 1000’s) were encircled, slaughtered or forced to surrender subjected to the horror’s of a POW including rape. Is the US public at large ready to face this possibility?
I couldn’t agree more. :P
To me, this whole situation sounds like more of an “equal-rights” argument rather than some strategic justification for sending our females to the enemy.Do you think that “co-ed” forces should be fully integrated?
Yes, Enlisted forces should.
Absolutely not. :o
There’s too many other factors that have to be dealt with when you throw a female soldier into the mix. Gaurenteed, there will be trust problems with having a woman covering your back instead of a man, and in the world’s strongest military, we can’t afford petty nuisances like that.WE DO NOT NEED WOMEN TO FIGHT FOR US!
Go put 'em at a desk somewhere back in the US, but don’t ship them overseas to go fight on the front lines for us. There’s no need for it.
Why should sons and daughters of politicians not be drafted like the rest of us.
Politics. :wink:
Do you think support for war by the American people would go up or down when they started seeing the President’s family die?It’s basically the same thing as: Why do people enrolled in college have less of a chance of being drafted then those not in college?
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To be frontline, you have to pass a physical test. Same to be actively enlisted. If you set the standards the same for Men and Women, and you take only those who meet the standards, you will have a battle ready, coed force. Sure, because Men are biologically stronger than Women, there will be more frontline men than women.
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Public polls and opinion factor well into our government’s view of itself. Any administration is always looking to it’s next election win. I doubt ANY political party in this country would gain ANY public support with a platform “Send your daughters to die in foreign wars!”. President Bush is hard selling a possible mostly “male” war in Iraq, if co-ed or strictly female frontline units existed, it would be even harder. Americans have little stomach for their sons going off to die, let alone their daughters : insane!!!
Again Americans are not ready for this. They don’t want war at all, the result is always dead sons…and DAUGHTERS !!! HELL NO, NOBODY GOES !!! -
I doubt the generation of our leaders could handle the fact that in a combat situation where large groups of female units (in the 100’s or 1000’s) were encircled, slaughtered or forced to surrender subjected to the horror’s of a POW including rape. Is the US public at large ready to face this possibility?
And I doubt the generation of our leaders could handle the fact that in a combat situation where large groups of young GI boys (in the 100’s or 1000’s) were encircled, slaughtered, or forced to surrender subjected to the horror’s of a POW tortue. Is the US public at large ready to face this possibility? :)
Absolutely not.
There’s too many other factors that have to be dealt with when you throw a female soldier into the mix. Gaurenteed, there will be trust problems with having a woman covering your back instead of a man, and in the world’s strongest military, we can’t afford petty nuisances like that.And I trust anybody to watch my back if they passed their training regardless of race, sex, age, religion, or creed. Why many soldiers undergo the hardest training in elite unit? It is to insure that they will be serving with the best. I will take a Delta Force female over a regular male GI any day.
WE DO NOT NEED WOMEN TO FIGHT FOR US!
Yet during times of war we see young, underage boys (14-17) fighting for us?
Why should sons and daughters of politicians not be drafted like the rest of us.
I’m in favor of it if they do not have the ability to manipulate what goes on the battlefield. I do not like seeing important military politicians risking the lives of many others to protect the lives of their own offspring.
doubt ANY political party in this country would gain ANY public support with a platform “Send your daughters to die in foreign wars!”.
I don’t think any political party who tries to sell a platform requiring drafting (even if it is male only) would be very popular. We see what happened to LBJ… :-?
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Keep in mind, Women fought alongside men in Russia in WWII. Without them fighting, its doubtful whether they could of held on throughout 1941 to 1942.
Women fight alongside Men in Israel today. They perform similar to men.
In our own armed forces, Women perform similar in the front line to men.
Its not a question of their ability to perform. Its a question of the conservative, old-fashioned base of White Men accepting the fact that we are all equal in responsibility.
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yeah, I forgot about the Russians. Russian woman make excellent pilots. Nicknamed by the dreaded Germans as the “Night Witches.” Many in fact became aces.
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Its not a question of their ability to perform. Its a question of the conservative, old-fashioned base of White Men accepting the fact that we are all equal in responsibility.
Of course, it is all so clear. It is the white, male, conservatives fault again. Silly me :)
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It’s always ends up that way, doesn’t it Jazz… :wink:
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hahahaha… and you think it would be the liberals who would be complaining about the draft - much like they did in Nam. :wink:
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The same kind of people were denying Women the right to vote in the early 1900s as are blocking them from being drafted. Both Women and Men pay the same taxes, cast one vote, and get the same (mosty…) benefits from being a part of this nation. They should share the same responsibilities also.
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I think i was being misunderstood, whether intentionally or not, i’m not certain.
The fact is that many current militaries are generated by men, with male soldiers in mind. Many of the upper echelons of the military cultures are men, and many operations, exercises, and training are male driven, organized and oriented.
This is why i so brazenly suggest that a separate force be created (if indeed, it is truly necessary - i believe the idea of a draft to be stupid and antequaited in the world as it is today). This could take better advantage of the subtle differences between us, while not subjecting women to something so male dominated and driven.
Also i would not want to be in a platoon/battalion, whatever of women. They are too damn distracting, and i don’t care about the training.
“women are like beer . . . you’d step over your own mother to get one”. This is an element that the military is not prepared to deal with. I would not want to be in a fire fight with a woman that both i, and some jerk in my unit are both attracted to. Call me old fashioned. -
That’s not old-fashioned at all.
I think we’re coming at this from two different perspectives. I don’t want women in the military for their own protection and for mine. On the other hand, Yanny thinks we’re simply trying to suppress women again? (Did I pretty much cover it?)
There are some things that are better left alone. Leave the equal-rights crap at the door and think about this objectively. :wink:
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No, I am saying that Feminists have secured all of the perks for Women and few of the responsibilities of being equal with Men.
Everyone is equal, everyone in fit health should be required to serve or go to jail if they are picked for the draft. This means Women, Rich people, Political sons and daughters, and ordinary people.
Otherwise, I want to pay less taxes for filling out that draft card.
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No, I am saying that Feminists have secured all of the perks for Women and few of the responsibilities of being equal with Men.
Yeah, that and trying to get into all-male golf clubs. :wink:
This is why i so brazenly suggest that a separate force be created (if indeed, it is truly necessary - i believe the idea of a draft to be stupid and antequaited in the world as it is today). This could take better advantage of the subtle differences between us, while not subjecting women to something so male dominated and driven.
It’s not. HOWEVER, I think Enlisted woman (provided they pass the training) should also be given the right to join in co-ed units if they want.
Also I don’t think anybody is “for” the draft. -
Cohed Military units could work if u make the average day and intesity of the Men/Women more intense and in the Training treat them = give them the same standards and such dont treat the women like like Women treat them like men. and some Fun behind the Bunk is good for Morale and would improeve the Comradery between men and women on the front ;)
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'average day and intesity" average day and training* ;)
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Also I don’t think anybody is “for” the draft.
Actually, believe it or not, my aunt and uncle are.
They think that the President should immediately reinstate the draft, and that it should remain permanent. They think you should have a mandatory career in the military for at least two years. Pretty crazy, huh? -
i like ur aunt and uncle ;)
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Actually, believe it or not, my aunt and uncle are.
They think that the President should immediately reinstate the draft, and that it should remain permanent. They think you should have a mandatory career in the military for at least two years. Pretty crazy, huh?Well actually I’m in favor of mandatory service for your country. :) The military is a great place to teach people discipline, duty, and hardwork. They strip down all your bad qualities and build you back up. However, the sons and daughters of celebrities, politicans (even the president’s daughters), the rich, and any others should not be exempt from this. That is why you’ll never see a mandatory service in our country. As for the draft, I’m in favor of it (like everyone else) in only the most dire of situations (ex. WWI, WWII, Civil War, ect.). Otherwise, there shouldn’t be the need for a draft.
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Mandatory military service will not work in the US. Being a Veteran, I’ve seen plenty go into the military losers and come out about the same. It’s all about what you take with you and what you get out of it. If your not interested in discipline, duty, and hard work, it won’t help you at all. It be worse if US citizens were all made to serve instead of volunteer…
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