8-Player Napoleonic Empires Free-For-All

[moilami]

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

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@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

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Austria: I will give Berlin back when you stop the open border with France. Otherwise he can stage his troops there.

[moilami]

@Noll:

@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

Why should England care of central/western europe, when they can go to Sweden, Africa, and Spain? The only reason for them to care of Europe is to make sure France can’t expand anywhere, that is harass France and expand in power all the time while doing it. The only way to hold England is to give France a chance to hold England, and if the ways to end game are defined like that, there is not much point in playing this map.

This game I of course will finish, but I am definelty not interested of FFA5 anymore. The map is broken in my very harsh opinion.

[Noll]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: Napoleonic Empires: FFA 5 Player, version: 4.0.8

Game History

Round :11

Combat Move - Russia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Odessa to Bessarabia
            2 Fusilierss and 1 Howitzer moved from Silesia to Moravia
            5 Barques, 3 Brigantines and 2 Cutters moved from SZ6 to SZ4
            1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss and 3 Horse_Artillerys moved from Odessa to Bessarabia
            3 Chasseurss and 1 Fusiliers moved from Silesia to Brandenburg
            2 Cuirassierss moved from Pomerania to Brandenburg
            3 Dragoonss moved from Prussia to Mecklenburg
            1 Dragoons moved from Prussia to Brandenburg
            1 Fusiliers moved from Silesia to Brandenburg
            7 Artillerys, 6 Chasseurss, 3 Cuirassierss, 6 Dragoonss, 13 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Horse_Artillery and 2 Howitzers moved from Silesia to Moravia
            1 Cuirassiers and 2 Dragoonss moved from Kiev to Hungary
            1 Dragoons moved from Galicia to Hungary
            3 Fusilierss and 3 Howitzers moved from Galicia to Hungary
            4 Artillerys, 3 Chasseurss, 4 Fusilierss, 2 Howitzers and 3 Kutusovs moved from Galicia to Moravia
            2 Dragoonss moved from Volhynia to Moravia
            1 Dragoons moved from Krakow to Moravia
            1 Fusiliers moved from Volhynia to Galicia
            3 Fusilierss moved from Volhynia to Krakow
            2 Artillerys and 3 Fusilierss moved from Kazan to Odessa
            1 Fusiliers moved from Astrakahn to SZ101
            1 Barque and 1 Fusiliers moved from SZ101 to SZ97
            1 Fusiliers moved from SZ97 to Crimea
            1 Battleship and 1 Brigantine moved from SZ95 to SZ94
            1 General moved from Kiev to Odessa
            2 Dragoonss moved from Moscovia to Volhynia

Purchase Units - Russia
            Russia buy 2 Brigantines, 3 Dragoonss, 1 Encampment, 2 Fusilierss and 3 Kutusovs; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat - Russia
            Battle in Bessarabia
                Russia attack with 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 1 Fusiliers and 3 Horse_Artillerys
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Fusiliers
                Russia win, taking Bessarabia from AustrianEmpire with 1 Cuirassiers, 4 Dragoonss, 1 Fusiliers and 3 Horse_Artillerys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Moravia
                Russia attack with 11 Artillerys, 9 Chasseurss, 3 Cuirassierss, 9 Dragoonss, 19 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Horse_Artillery, 5 Howitzers and 3 Kutusovs
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Fusiliers
                Russia win, taking Moravia from AustrianEmpire with 11 Artillerys, 9 Chasseurss, 3 Cuirassierss, 9 Dragoonss, 19 Fusilierss, 1 Grenadiers, 1 Horse_Artillery, 5 Howitzers and 3 Kutusovs remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in Brandenburg
                Russia attack with 3 Chasseurss, 2 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons and 2 Fusilierss
                AustrianEmpire defend with 2 Dragoonss
                Russia win, taking Brandenburg from AustrianEmpire with 3 Chasseurss, 2 Cuirassierss, 1 Dragoons and 1 Fusiliers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 2 Dragoonss
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Fusiliers
            Battle in SZ4
                Russia attack with 5 Barques, 3 Brigantines and 2 Cutters
                AustrianEmpire defend with 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
                Russia win with 5 Barques and 3 Brigantines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 14
                Casualties for AustrianEmpire: 1 Barque, 1 Cutter and 1 Frigate
                Casualties for Russia: 2 Cutters
            Battle in Mecklenburg
                Russia attack with 3 Dragoonss
                France defend with 1 Fusiliers
                Russia win, taking Mecklenburg from France with 2 Dragoonss remaining. Battle score for attacker is -2
                Casualties for France: 1 Fusiliers
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Dragoons
            Battle in Hungary
                Russia attack with 1 Cuirassiers, 3 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss and 3 Howitzers
                France defend with 1 Chasseurs, 1 Encampment, 3 Fusilierss, 1 Howitzer and 3 Mortella_Towers
                France win with 1 Chasseurs and 2 Fusilierss remaining. Battle score for attacker is -32
                Casualties for France: 1 Fusiliers, 1 Howitzer and 3 Mortella_Towers
                Casualties for Russia: 1 Cuirassiers, 3 Dragoonss, 3 Fusilierss and 3 Howitzers

Non Combat Move - Russia
            1 General moved from Pomerania to Posen

Place Units - Russia
            1 Encampment placed in Kiev
            2 Brigantines placed in SZ94
            1 Fusiliers placed in Posen
            3 Kutusovs placed in Novgorod
            3 Dragoonss and 1 Fusiliers placed in Prussia

Turn Complete - Russia
            Russia collect 77 PUs; end with 77 PUs total
            Objective Russia destroys TUV: Russia met a national objective for an additional 4 PUs; end with 81 PUs

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@moilami:

@Noll:

@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

Why should England care of central/western europe, when they can go to Sweden, Africa, and Spain? The only reason for them to care of Europe is to make sure France can’t expand anywhere, that is harass France and expand in power all the time while doing it. The only way to hold England is to give France a chance to hold England, and if the ways to end game are defined like that, there is not much point in playing this map.

This game I of course will finish, but I am definelty not interested of FFA5 anymore. The map is broken in my very harsh opinion.

France has land access to Spain, dont understimate this

[Noll]

got diced in Hungary :(

[moilami]

@Noll:

@moilami:

@Noll:

@moilami:

Not sure if I want to play FFA5 anymore. The England is in my opinion in a ridiculous position in it. It is the only nation who is not more or less forced to fight against someone. So, it can just keep building a ridiculous Navy and pick neutrals and random nations from Sweden, Africa, or Spain. So, the end game is guaranteed for England without problems, and depending on how long the continent is fighting against eaach other England will be more or less unstoppable.

The other thing on England’s side is Navy Bombardment. Free shots each turn against coastal areas, and when England is the one to become OP because of the Navy it always builds, there is just no sense. The least to do to fix this could be to allow bombardment from coastal fortresses to the sea. That is also what happens in real.

In FFA8 I have understood what UK does is engulf slowly but surely Spain and then become unbeatable.

UK has other problems tho.

You cant rival his Navy but he will never have an impact in Europe.

PS: in my last game I was France and UK was very aggressive on me. Spain was mine tho’

Why should England care of central/western europe, when they can go to Sweden, Africa, and Spain? The only reason for them to care of Europe is to make sure France can’t expand anywhere, that is harass France and expand in power all the time while doing it. The only way to hold England is to give France a chance to hold England, and if the ways to end game are defined like that, there is not much point in playing this map.

This game I of course will finish, but I am definelty not interested of FFA5 anymore. The map is broken in my very harsh opinion.

France has land access to Spain, dont understimate this

Pfft, look at what it costs to France to go to Spain by land  :roll:

I think the lack of aeroplanes unbalances this map beyond ridiculousnes. England=Navy become totally OP, which is even more annoying because Navy did not play that major role in real in NW.

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check this game

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=28114.0

[moilami]

Don’t have that much time to watch it. I may do it later though.

I am not saying I am absolutely right. I am just very suspicious of this, and might want to try to play as England to see how it goes.

Anyway, gief aeroplanes or fortresses bombarding navy, else broken.

[Noll]

Try playing Russia if you think France is weak :/

[moilami]

I am not saying France is weak.

I am saying the game is broken because there is nothing to counter OP naval bombardments. There is no aeroplanes, there is no fortresses to bombard ships. This could be fixed by removing naval bombardments or adding fortresses being able to bombard ships.

I am suspecting that most of the time well played UK becomes unbeatable, unless other players begin to focus only on UK. The same can be said of course of any nation, but the difference exist in that other nations have not even close the options UK have. UK have tons of options while the rest are quite limited in what they do - yet UK gets the most benefit of the most broken feature in game, the naval bombardments.

If I would want to play major navy map I would play Pacific.

[moilami]

@Noll:

got diced in Hungary :(

I got diced in Constantinople. That, however, made me an even more fanatical dice dude. One very bad dice and the whole game changed. For FFA in my opinion dice is mandatory.

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UK’s has a defensive advantage but imho he has more trouble winning the game than france austria and ottomans.

Anyway I matched and sunk UK navy with France. (gib+norocco= 4navy/turn for example)

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@moilami:

@Noll:

got diced in Hungary :(

I got diced in Constantinople. That, however, made me an even more fanatical dice dude. One very bad dice and the whole game changed. For FFA in my opinion dice is mandatory.

not complaining!

Waiting France’s politics

[moilami]

@Noll:

UK’s has a defensive advantage but imho he has more trouble winning the game than france austria and ottomans.

Anyway I matched and sunk UK navy with France. (gib+norocco= 4navy/turn for example)

That defence issues is just related to the Free End Game for UK. None can do anything to UK before they have bigger navy, and UK is the only one who is safely guaranteed in all cases to just build navy. Try to match UK’s navy and you lose your lands.

Building just Navy UK makes sure none can conquer it, and later UK can use the OP navy to expand uncontrollably. If someone tries stop UK, then he will be ruined while UK is just doing what is the best for UK.

The Only way to beat UK is for some to be so victorious against other nations that he can build a navy to beat UK’s navy.

Broken beyond words, in my very harsh opinion.

Fix OP Naval Bombard.

Wait. It has been fixed in WW2 maps.

This map is just not my cup of tea anymore.

You are free to enjoy of it.

[Noll]

I dont understand what the UK navy has to do with this particular game. Are you dropping from it?

[moilami]

Not dropping from this game. I said before I will finish this game.

I am just not playing this map anymore, except maybe FFA8 version.

[moilami]

The Republic is extremely disappointed to see that the Ottomans has not prepared a war against Russia. The Republic gave Ottomans 100% chance to save their culture and independence - yet they want to toss a dice. So be it. Alea iacta est! The Republic will march to Constantinople and ravage and butcher everything in sight as a revenge for Ottoman savageness for Europe can’t stand another attack by Ottomans. It is now or never. Free the world of Ottomans forever or suffer eternally of their evilness.

– Napoleon

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@pr0c3ss:

Being in no position to negotiate, the Ottomans will do as requested…
Ottomans Declare immediately a war to Russia.
Ottomans open borders with the Republic, so that the Republic can sail to the Black Sea and destroy Russian navy hiding in there.

:|

@moilami:

The Republic is extremely disappointed to see that the Ottomans has not prepared a war against Russia. The Republic gave Ottomans 100% chance to save their culture and independence - yet they want to toss a dice. So be it. Alea iacta est! The Republic will march to Constantinople and ravage and butcher everything in sight as a revenge for Ottoman savageness for Europe can’t stand another attack by Ottomans. It is now or never. Free the world of Ottomans forever or suffer eternally of their evilness.

– Napoleon

LOL