@Imperious:
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
Lieutenant General Stanley McChrystal approved the Silver Star citation on April 28, 2004, which gave a detailed account of Tillman’s death including the phrase “in the line of devastating enemy fire,” but the next day he sent a P4 confidential memo warning senior government members that Tillman might actually have been killed by friendly fire.[14] Top commanders within the US Central Command, including former Commander of the United States Central Command (CENTCOM) General John Abizaid, was notified by the P4 memo,[15] which described Tillman’s “highly possible” fratricide, four days before Tillman’s nationally televised memorial service during which he was lauded as a war hero for dying while engaging the enemy.
Killed April 22nd
Knew it was highly possible fratricide April 26th
Silver Star April 28th
Funeral April 29th
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
“in the line of devastating enemy fire,”
Is a fabricated attempt to imply there was an enemy presence, and that the incident was not fratricide.
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
IL,
It appears there’s something wrong with your computer, it keeps spamming the same quote! ;)
i KNOW.
WORKING ON IT.
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
darn it it did it again…
Does “Become Public” seem to imply Cover-up? or is that just me?
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
Those who have something relevant to say should continue to post.
IL should do some research and get back to us.
Actually there is a lot even I didnt know about this story.
This guy was fcucking badass.
[edited by GG: flaming?] I will link [IL] to an excellent article summarising the lead-up, event and aftermath.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8046658/Betrayal-of-an-all-American-hero.html
Here is a snippet which relates to my comment about the “Whitehouse administration” at the time.
"In Afghanistan, a series of highly unusual steps had been put in train in the immediate aftermath of Tillman�s death. Other members of the platoon were ordered to say nothing of the incident, and phone and internet connections at the base were shut down. His brother Kevin, who had not witnessed the incident and knew only that Pat had been killed but not how, was put in 'quarantine�, and within days would be sent home with Pat�s body, accompanied by another soldier who was under strict instructions not to tell Kevin or the family what had happened.
In contravention of army protocol, which stipulates that the uniforms of fallen soldiers be returned to America, Pat�s uniform, helmet and combat vest were destroyed, along with his notebook. Within hours, an army captain, Richard Scott, was ordered to prepare a report on the incident. His draft investigation, prepared in a matter of days, was condemnatory. Tillman�s death, Scott concluded, was fratricide � the military term for friendly fire � and the result of an act of 'gross negligence� by soldiers in Serial 2. He recommended to head�quarters that there should be a further investigation by the army�s Criminal Investigation Command to establish whether there had been 'criminal intent� in the killing.
"In Afghanistan, a series of highly unusual steps had been put in train in the immediate aftermath of Tillman�s death. Other members of the platoon were ordered to say nothing of the incident, and phone and internet connections at the base were shut down. His brother Kevin, who had not witnessed the incident and knew only that Pat had been killed but not how, was put in 'quarantine�, and within days would be sent home with Pat�s body, accompanied by another soldier who was under strict instructions not to tell Kevin or the family what had happened.
In contravention of army protocol, which stipulates that the uniforms of fallen soldiers be returned to America, Pat�s uniform, helmet and combat vest were destroyed, along with his notebook. Within hours, an army captain, Richard Scott, was ordered to prepare a report on the incident. His draft investigation, prepared in a matter of days, was condemnatory. Tillman�s death, Scott concluded, was fratricide � the military term for friendly fire � and the result of an act of 'gross negligence� by soldiers in Serial 2. He recommended to head�quarters that there should be a further investigation by the army�s Criminal Investigation Command to establish whether there had been 'criminal intent� in the killing.
Again nothing about Bush giving orders to give medal to “cover up” friendly fire.
Not even a good try. I think Carter gave the order to kill Tillman. Based on what you posted it’s just as plausible.
I got a hangnail. I think I’ll blame Bush for it. :roll:
I read that thing and nowhere does it say Bush ordered any medal or coverup anything. In fact McCain ordered an investigation to find the truth.
[edited by GG] Bush didn’t try to make political gains from anything or cover up anything. Just nonsense.
I never said Bush ordered him killed.
I never said Bush gave him the medal.
I never said anybody gave the order to kill him.
It’s easy to put down non-existent arguments isn’t it? Blame Carter, blame whoever you want. I don’t care.
I also don’t believe you read the article. [edited by GG: seriously? Insults?]
Either way, I’m done debating you on this. Like every other topic you weigh in on, you are completely obtuse and unable to reason. In stead choosing to take any opportunity to misrepresent what people say and construct straw-man arguments to put down. Why you continually do this I will never understand.
Other’s on the thread can do their own research and I encourage it.
Perhaps we can both agree that this was a brave man who died tragically. [edited by GG]
I never said Bush ordered him killed.
I never said Bush gave him the medal.
I never said anybody gave the order to kill him.
“If you ask me, the Bush administration disgraced every recipient of the Silver Star and every other soldier in the war when they sold out the award for political gain by using it to try to cover-up the circumstances of his death.”
I thought it was clear that Bush and his Administration are the same thing?
I guess not.
The Bush administration had nothing to do with that incident. The article does not say anything about how the Bush administration covered up anything. Rather, it is you reading into something and making up things due to your hatred of Bush personally. I did read it. Show me where the article blames the Bush Administration for anything? You can’t which is the point i made all along.
They ( “the Bush Administration”) didn’t ‘sell’ or give out any award, the Army gave out the award and the administration didn’t cover up anything either or try to make political gains.
The only gain was you trying to convince yourself that Bush is “evil” and make a point based on your own bias. [edited by GG]
I’m blaming carter for this. :mrgreen:
Tell, you what.
If it makes you happy I will remove my original post. And replace it with the link the the article and the book and the film. That way people can research and learn for themselves.
Maybe its all Carter’s fault. Speaking of things that are all Carter’s fault: Everyone go see Argo.
Argo********self.
:-)
@Imperious:
Giving out a medal does not ‘cover up’ acts of friendly fire either.
It sure as hell seems like deflection to me, whether a medal was warranted or not.
Purple hearts are given out for wounded men in combat. Tillman died fighting. Exactly how can a symbol of heroism deflect anything? [edited by GG] He would get that medal if he was Tillman or not.
@Imperious:
Purple hearts are given out for wounded men in combat. Tillman died fighting. Exactly how can a symbol of heroism deflect anything? People aren’t that stupid. He would get that medal if he was Tillman or not.
Really, I don’t know why I bothered.
I was referring to the Silver Star. Which was shown to be awarded for reasons that did not exist, while the true reasons for his death were suppressed. When the truth came out, the story changed. My comment was referring to the infrequency of the award being given out, especially under such dubious circumstances.
No one has said anything about a Purple Heart until you did just now.
@Imperious:
Purple hearts are given out for wounded men in combat. Tillman died fighting. Exactly how can a symbol of heroism deflect anything? People aren’t that stupid. He would get that medal if he was Tillman or not.
Tillman died fighting?
Excuse me sir, but he did not…
Tillman died yelling “I’m Pat F***ing Tillman” whilst during a second interval, of his own troops shooting at him. A full minute + after popping a smoke grenade.
There were NO enemy combatants, and NO combat actions that warranted heroism that day.
He took 3 bullets to the face from a heavy machinegun, and an Afghan Conscript (AMA) working with him that day was also obliterated at the same time, for the same actions, with NO Medal.
Clearly you are totally unaware of any of the facts [edited by GG]
