XDAP03 Norse elite vs. TeamBoldDutch

[Ghostglider]

Here is G2 attack…
Do you want to intercept in London? (1 T.bmb + 2 S.BMB makes strategic bombing raids)

Best regards,
Ghostglider

02 - Germany - Combat.tsvg

[dutchmand]

Nice, a Sea Lion.  Let me confer with the Bold one.

[Ghostglider]

We assume you wanted a sealion with your UK1 purchase…

[boldfresh]

no intercept.

[Ghostglider]

2 hits in z118… Please give OOL, thanks

[boldfresh]

tip battleship, lose cruiser

[Ghostglider]

2 bmb attack IC.
T.bmb also attacks IC, if possible. Else airbase

[Ghostglider]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Alpha 3, version: 2.8

Game History

Round :2

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 1 infantry and 9 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 unit repaired.
            1 submarine moved from 106 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 2 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 112 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to United Kingdom
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Southern Italy to Greece
            1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            2 mech_infantrys moved from France to Normandy Bordeaux
            1 armour and 4 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Greece
            1 armour moved from Romania to Greece
            1 mech_infantry moved from France to Holland Belgium

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Greece
                Germans attack with 2 armour, 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Neutral_Allies defend with 4 infantry
                Germans win, taking Greece from Neutral_Allies with 2 armour, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 4 infantry
                Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 artillery
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from French with 1 fighter, 2 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for French: 1 artillery
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                French defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from French with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Germans: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry
            Battle in 118 Sea Zone
                Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 3 submarines
                British defend with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British
                Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
                Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 34
                Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
                Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Germans attacks with 3 units heading to United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining Bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                1 tactical_bomber killed by AA guns
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 6,6 and causes: 12 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 12 damage total.
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            2 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany
            1 carrier moved from 112 Sea Zone to 118 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 fighter moved from Holland Belgium to 118 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 armour moved from Romania to Germany
            1 aaGun moved from France to Holland Belgium
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Greece to Western Germany
            2 artilleries moved from France to Western Germany
            6 armour moved from France to Germany
            1 artillery moved from Norway to Finland
            1 transport moved from 113 Sea Zone to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Poland to 114 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
            1 artillery moved from Poland to Germany
            10 infantry moved from Poland to Germany
            2 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Romania to Slovakia Hungary
            3 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
            1 infantry moved from Finland to Norway
            3 aaGuns moved from Poland to Slovakia Hungary
            1 infantry moved from Poland to Germany

Place Units - Germans
            9 transports placed in 113 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
            Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Territory Summary for Germans :

Normandy Bordeaux : 1 flag, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 mech_infantry
    France : 1 flag, 1 airfield and 1 factory_minor
    Slovakia Hungary : 1 flag, 3 aaGuns, 2 artilleries and 8 infantry
    Western Germany : 1 flag, 1 airfield, 2 artilleries, 2 bombers, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 1 harbour, 1 infantry and 3 tactical_bombers
    Romania : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Poland : 1 flag, 1 infantry
    Germany : 1 flag, 2 aaGuns, 7 armour, 1 artillery, 1 factory_major and 11 infantry
    Norway : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 6 infantry
    Holland Belgium : 1 flag, 1 aaGun, 2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
    113 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 10 transports
    118 Sea Zone : 1 flag, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 submarines
    106 Sea Zone : 1 flag
    Bulgaria : 1 flag
    Greece : 1 flag, 2 armour and 2 infantry
    Finland : 1 flag, 1 artillery and 3 infantry

[boldfresh]

something’s off.  MARTI says the dice for your bomber rolls were 2,2.  this file says the dice were 6,6.  i know strat bombers cause damage at dice roll +2.  does that mean that your dice were 4,4 and had 2 added to each to reach the 12 damage?  don’t like that triple A doesn’t show bombing dice properly in the history file if so.

[Ghostglider]

I just looked… MARTI dice says 2,2, but map said 6,6. I dont know why. Who would know??

Furthermore I was allowed to attack IC with all three units.
As far as I remember I am only allowed to bomb IC with S.bmb, that is why I wrote my attack here… But TripleA allowed me to attack IC with all three planes.

How do we proceed? Which dice are correct?
Should the attack be rerolled with 2 S.bmb on IC and 1 T.bmb on airbase? = new aa-fire and new damage? If so, how do we ensure we get correct result?

[boldfresh]

tach bombers cannot bomb IC as far as i know.  Verqyn is the person to ask these questions of - he’s the one who built TripleA i believe. tachs can only bomber AB and NB.  i think it rolls AA all together and you get to pick what gets shot down when the aa hits?  i trust that the bombing rolls are correct, i’m just questioning how TripleA shows it.  I wish it would show the actual dice rolled, like it does in every other case in the history.

[boldfresh]

Verqyn is the person to ask tripleA questions of that is.  rules questions should be directed to gamerman01 or kcdzim (rules deputies).

[Ghostglider]

Do you want to continue from the map or ask the questions?
Maybe most fair to get a ruling on how to proceed but quickest to continue from map :?

[boldfresh]

i am confident that your map is fine.  i will ask Verqyn why the program does not show the bombing rolls clearly and what the meaning of the 2,2 sent by marti is. whether there is 8 or 12 damage doesn’t really affect what we are going to do with the allies anyway so we can proceed for now with the map.

regarding the tach - you are right, the program allows you to send it to the IC as a target.  but then it got shot down so who knows, maybe the program would have said it was an invalid target and made you choose the AB or NB at that point.  I will ask the question and do a couple more tests myself, but either way, you would have gotten one plane shot down and you would have chosen the tach regardless of whether you sent it to the AB or IC.  I take it you sent it to the IC anyway so regardless, it would have played out the same.

[boldfresh]

the program incorrectly allows the tachs to bomb IC’s.  that is for sure.  i’m going to run some actual turns to see how they work sending the dice to marti so disregard them.

[dutchmand]

I’m not confident about the map.  The dice I got in my email say 2 and 2.  Thats the dice.  The history shows a player reload during the strategic bombing raid.

I don’t have any dice saying 6 and 6 for damage.

[dutchmand]

In fact an hour later I got dice of 1 and 1. Then the aa gun fired again….

[dutchmand]

The damage should be 8, not 12.  The error is something to do with the player reload.

[boldfresh]

@DutchmanD:

In fact an hour later I got dice of 1 and 1. Then the aa gun fired again….

there were three rolls an hour later 1, 2, 1 i believe.  that was me Dutch doing some testing.  the actual dice rolled in triple A were like 6, 4, 3 or something.  so the 1, 2, 1 per marti emails make no sense.

[boldfresh]

just tried it again.  two bombers were shot down.  the remaining bomber rolled a 6 (which includes the extra 2) - yet the marti email said the die rolled was a 2.  as you will see if you try this enough times, the dice rolled will go above 6 - they can also be 7 or 8 because it is dr + 2.