2013 - AAG 40 League

[gamerman01]

Now that we’re within a month of the playoffs, I’m starting to think more about them…

Jennifer, when you say you take 4 players A,B,C,D, do you take those at random or are they the top 4?  If A,B,C,D are the top 4, then the top 4 will not meet in round 1.  Or is it going to be completely random?

[lexgreat]

I mean, Alexgreat is #1 by win% so far  :wink:

Its an accident, a cruel joke of the system!!! For my part, I am relieved to have the correct place in your head’s ranking.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

Jennifer, when you say you take 4 players A,B,C,D, do you take those at random or are they the top 4?  If A,B,C,D are the top 4, then the top 4 will not meet in round 1.  Or is it going to be completely random?

Still waiting for answer - thanks

[Jennifer]

Player 1 vs Random of 1-7 (8 remove 1.)
Player 2 vs Random of 1-5 (8 remove 3.)
Player 3 vs Random of 1-3 (8 remove 5.)
Player 4 vs Last available player

So the top 4 could end up playing each other in round 1.  But it’s not guaranteed.  After the initial pairings, it’s just winner vs winner.  Or so I have always done it in the past (by always I mean last year’s league and last year’s tournament…so I guess ALWAYS is a misleading term a bit…)

Best part of online diceys are that you can roll odd sided dice.  1d7 is possible!  (I don’t think there exists a 1d7 physical die on the planet however!)

[Degrasse]

The joy of wikipedia!  Yes, there are seven sided dice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice

[gamerman01]

@Degrasse:

The joy of wikipedia!  Yes, there are seven sided dice.

I love wikipedia!

[gamerman01]

@Cmdr:

Player 1 vs Random of 1-7 (8 remove 1.)
Player 2 vs Random of 1-5 (8 remove 3.)
Player 3 vs Random of 1-3 (8 remove 5.)
Player 4 vs Last available player

So the top 4 could end up playing each other in round 1.  But it’s not guaranteed.  After the initial pairings, it’s just winner vs winner.  Or so I have always done it in the past (by always I mean last year’s league and last year’s tournament…so I guess ALWAYS is a misleading term a bit…)

Best part of online diceys are that you can roll odd sided dice.  1d7 is possible!  (I don’t think there exists a 1d7 physical die on the planet however!)

OK - whatever - the top 8 have win% currently ranging from .923 to .786 so the seeding doesn’t really matter.

[Jennifer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagonal_prism

That does not appear to have the same odds of getting all 7 results possible….of course, 100 sided doesn’t really have odds of rolling anything, it just rolls and rolls and rolls…(looks like a large golf ball…)

Anyway, that’s what I have done in the past for matching.  We can do it another way, but that always struck me as the only really fair way to do it since it was as close to total randomness as I could imagine.

[gamerman01]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-elimination_tournament

Under “seeding” -

“Opponents may be allocated randomly (such as in the FA Cup); however, since the “luck of the draw” may result in the highest-rated competitors being scheduled to face each other early in the competition, seeding is often used to prevent this. Brackets are set up so that the top two seeds could not possibly meet until the final round (should both advance that far), none of the top four can meet prior to the semi-finals, and so on. If no seeding is used, the tournament is called a random knockout tournament.”

Random will suit us since win% does not accurately tell us who the top rated players are anyway.
But I will be using seeding in the other playoff brackets, because I will be using PPG, which is a “rating” based on each player’s relative success.

[Jennifer]

I am not saying I am right or you are wrong, it has just been my opinion that the best players will end up as the last two in the playoffs.  I understand you can get diced pretty badly, but that could happen in game one against the “worst” player in the playoffs playing the “best” player as well.

We can just do seeding if it’s more convenient and no one has an objection.  I was just asked how I was planning to do it this year and mentioned how I’ve done it previously.

[boldfresh]

Seeding by ppg makes imminently more sense.

[bmnielsen]

@Cmdr:

…it has just been my opinion that the best players will end up as the last two in the playoffs.

The problem is that with a random draw, the two best players have a good chance of meeting each other before the final match. This is what seeding attempts to mitigate.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

Random will suit us since win% does not accurately tell us who the top rated players are anyway.

Jenn, I have said this multiple times so that you wouldn’t feel criticized.

I am not saying that I disagree with random.

In fact I quite clearly said random is fine because we’re going by win% anyway, so I don’t think our #1 and #2 are necessarily the best players and #7 and #8 are not necessarily the weakest of the 8.

I was merely trying to tell you about seeding because it seemed you were a bit in the dark about its benefits.  I will be seeding the other playoffs.  You can do the main playoff like you’ve always done - that will be fine.

[gamerman01]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydF93TUcwNFB2Y1JvYm9weThsdzV0cEE#gid=0

Speaking of playoffs, coming in about 3 weeks, here is the signup sheet for anyone who would like to play in a league playoff.
Brackets will be no more than 8 players, so no more than 3 games to win (except depending on final numbers a couple players may have a play-in game)

Minimum FOUR league games completed by Nov. 1 is the only requirement for entry.  Players of all skill levels welcome.
We already have enough players for 2 additional full brackets of 8.  Come join the fun, sign yourself up using the link above.

No e-mail address, password, name, address, annual income, or other personal information required!!  No contracts to sign, no spam will come your way in the future.  It’s all about good fun and challenge!  How far will you advance?

[ghr2]

What do I have to do in order to get involved in the league?

[gamerman01]

@ghr2:

What do I have to do in order to get involved in the league?

Find someone else to play (there is a stickied thread for that) a league game, and
start a thread in the league section using "13L G40 Player1(side) v Player2(side)

[Karl7]

So if I read the 2nd Edition Global rules right they say that Mongolia only becomes Pro-Axis if attacked by the USSR.

So if it’s attacked by the UK it just sits there like a fool?

[MrRoboto]

@Karl7:

So if I read the 2nd Edition Global rules right they say that Mongolia only becomes Pro-Axis if attacked by the USSR.

So if it’s attacked by the UK it just sits there like a fool?

That’s correct. Same goes the other way around. If Germany/Italy attack Japanese territory bordering Mongolia, nothing happens.

[Major Major]

is oct 31 the cut off for 2013 games or did it already go by?

[Jennifer]

@Infrastructure:

is oct 31 the cut off for 2013 games or did it already go by?

Nov. 2nd is last day for 2013 league normal play.  Matching’s for playoffs should be posted soon after.
Nov. 3rd is first day for 2014 league normal play.