2013 - AAG 40 League

[Jennifer]

@allweneedislove:

@Cmdr:

There is still the four game minimum.� We increased the number of games you can play against the same opponent, but I do not remember a discussion about increasing the minimum number of games to qualify for the playoffs.

is going back to four game minimum another change?

reply 336 on this thread says 8 games, and that is what i thought we were using.

i hope it is 8 or more. 4 just seems too small of a sample size.

8 games it is then.

[arathorn]

Awesome. Then we’re all on the same page.

[Guest]

@arathorn:

Awesome. Then we’re all on the same page.

Not really. The both of us are on page 54. :-D

[gamerman01]

I am not opposed to Jenn’s dice rolling system for playoff matchups, for the official league playoff for the top 8 win %.  (As opposed to seeding 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5).  Mainly because ordering us by win % when we played totally different combinations of opponents and played very different amounts of games, does not give us an accurate seeding anyway.  I mean, Alexgreat is #1 by win% so far  :wink:

However, since it was my idea to have the add’l non-official league playoff brackets and I am sponsoring them, and also because the seeding there will be by my rankings system and not by win %, they WILL be set up 1v8 2v7 etc. with 1’s and 2’s getting byes if there are not 8 players in the bracket.

[MagicQ]

@Gamerman01:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydF93TUcwNFB2Y1JvYm9weThsdzV0cEE#gid=0

Sign up for the playoffs here, even if it currently looks like you will be in the top 8.  In case you don’t end up in the top 8, you will be signed up then.

Only 1 requirement - 4 completed league games by 11/1/13.

We currently have enough for 2 additional playoffs, for a total of 3.  If we have enough signups there will be a 4th bracket.

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I don’t have a reason against playoff games also counting for 2014 league other than it feels weird because it is never done in any sport at any level that I am aware of.  However, it does seem to make sense for our purposes.  After all, the rankings take into account strength of schedule….  so as long as next year’s playoff qualification is not determined by win % but by PPG…

I thought 4 games are enough for playoff. Now 8?

[arathorn]

@MagicQ:

@Gamerman01:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydF93TUcwNFB2Y1JvYm9weThsdzV0cEE#gid=0

Sign up for the playoffs here, even if it currently looks like you will be in the top 8.  In case you don’t end up in the top 8, you will be signed up then.

Only 1 requirement - 4 completed league games by 11/1/13.

We currently have enough for 2 additional playoffs, for a total of 3.  If we have enough signups there will be a 4th bracket.

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I don’t have a reason against playoff games also counting for 2014 league other than it feels weird because it is never done in any sport at any level that I am aware of.  However, it does seem to make sense for our purposes.  After all, the rankings take into account strength of schedule….  so as long as next year’s playoff qualification is not determined by win % but by PPG…

I thought 4 games are enough for playoff. Now 8?

If you want to make it for the “Official Playoffs”, with the 8 players with highest Win%, it was changed a good while back to 8 games.

However, if you want to join Gamerman’s two playoffs, open to those that sign up, you only need 4 games. Gamerman requires 4 games to rank you, and the extra playoffs will be sorted by PPG according to his rankings.

So, yes, the number was changed, and no, it wasn’t for all playoffs.

[gamerman01]

Thanks arathorn.  That’s all correct

[arathorn]

@Gamerman01:

Thanks arathorn.  That’s all correct

You’re welcome! :)

[gamerman01]

Now that we’re within a month of the playoffs, I’m starting to think more about them…

Jennifer, when you say you take 4 players A,B,C,D, do you take those at random or are they the top 4?  If A,B,C,D are the top 4, then the top 4 will not meet in round 1.  Or is it going to be completely random?

[lexgreat]

I mean, Alexgreat is #1 by win% so far  :wink:

Its an accident, a cruel joke of the system!!! For my part, I am relieved to have the correct place in your head’s ranking.

[gamerman01]

@Gamerman01:

Jennifer, when you say you take 4 players A,B,C,D, do you take those at random or are they the top 4?  If A,B,C,D are the top 4, then the top 4 will not meet in round 1.  Or is it going to be completely random?

Still waiting for answer - thanks

[Jennifer]

Player 1 vs Random of 1-7 (8 remove 1.)
Player 2 vs Random of 1-5 (8 remove 3.)
Player 3 vs Random of 1-3 (8 remove 5.)
Player 4 vs Last available player

So the top 4 could end up playing each other in round 1.  But it’s not guaranteed.  After the initial pairings, it’s just winner vs winner.  Or so I have always done it in the past (by always I mean last year’s league and last year’s tournament…so I guess ALWAYS is a misleading term a bit…)

Best part of online diceys are that you can roll odd sided dice.  1d7 is possible!  (I don’t think there exists a 1d7 physical die on the planet however!)

[Degrasse]

The joy of wikipedia!  Yes, there are seven sided dice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice

[gamerman01]

@Degrasse:

The joy of wikipedia!  Yes, there are seven sided dice.

I love wikipedia!

[gamerman01]

@Cmdr:

Player 1 vs Random of 1-7 (8 remove 1.)
Player 2 vs Random of 1-5 (8 remove 3.)
Player 3 vs Random of 1-3 (8 remove 5.)
Player 4 vs Last available player

So the top 4 could end up playing each other in round 1.  But it’s not guaranteed.  After the initial pairings, it’s just winner vs winner.  Or so I have always done it in the past (by always I mean last year’s league and last year’s tournament…so I guess ALWAYS is a misleading term a bit…)

Best part of online diceys are that you can roll odd sided dice.  1d7 is possible!  (I don’t think there exists a 1d7 physical die on the planet however!)

OK - whatever - the top 8 have win% currently ranging from .923 to .786 so the seeding doesn’t really matter.

[Jennifer]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagonal_prism

That does not appear to have the same odds of getting all 7 results possible….of course, 100 sided doesn’t really have odds of rolling anything, it just rolls and rolls and rolls…(looks like a large golf ball…)

Anyway, that’s what I have done in the past for matching.  We can do it another way, but that always struck me as the only really fair way to do it since it was as close to total randomness as I could imagine.

[gamerman01]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-elimination_tournament

Under “seeding” -

“Opponents may be allocated randomly (such as in the FA Cup); however, since the “luck of the draw” may result in the highest-rated competitors being scheduled to face each other early in the competition, seeding is often used to prevent this. Brackets are set up so that the top two seeds could not possibly meet until the final round (should both advance that far), none of the top four can meet prior to the semi-finals, and so on. If no seeding is used, the tournament is called a random knockout tournament.”

Random will suit us since win% does not accurately tell us who the top rated players are anyway.
But I will be using seeding in the other playoff brackets, because I will be using PPG, which is a “rating” based on each player’s relative success.

[Jennifer]

I am not saying I am right or you are wrong, it has just been my opinion that the best players will end up as the last two in the playoffs.  I understand you can get diced pretty badly, but that could happen in game one against the “worst” player in the playoffs playing the “best” player as well.

We can just do seeding if it’s more convenient and no one has an objection.  I was just asked how I was planning to do it this year and mentioned how I’ve done it previously.

[boldfresh]

Seeding by ppg makes imminently more sense.

[bmnielsen]

@Cmdr:

…it has just been my opinion that the best players will end up as the last two in the playoffs.

The problem is that with a random draw, the two best players have a good chance of meeting each other before the final match. This is what seeding attempts to mitigate.