2013 - AAG 40 League

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.  :-P

[boldfresh]

who wants to start a 2014 league game?

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.   :-P

The 2 Russian pilots that I shot down say I only suck against Dutch thank you very much.

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Boldfresh:

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.   :-P

The 2 Russian pilots that I shot down say I only suck against Dutch thank you very much.

those two russian pilots you so badly wanted to kill are what lost this game for you.  thank YOU very much.  :wink:

[seth4god]

My brother, who I haven’t seen in 3 years, is in town for a couple of days. Expect slower posting if you’re an opponent of mine.

[Jennifer]

SIX (6) WEEKS LEFT OF REGULAR LEAGUE PLAY

7a - The Regular Season for each league will start on 2 Nov. 2012 and end on 1 Nov. 2012 and the standings will then be posted.  Games must be completed prior to this date in order to be counted for the 2012 season.

~ Page 1, Post 1 of this thread

Just a friendly reminder.

[Hank13]

For those of us who are new to league play, what happens to games that are not finished by this deadline?

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

For those of us who are new to league play, what happens to games that are not finished by this deadline?

They roll into the next yr which is why I was talking about 2014 league games.

[Jennifer]

If your game is not finished by the deadline the two contestants in the game have the choice to either roll it over until next year, or keep it for this year.  If you want to keep it for next year’s league, you have to remember that it will count against the maximum number of games against that opponent, if you keep it for this year obviously it won’t count towards the championship.

[MagicQ]

What is the League rule for aa gun casualties? Should they be chosen randomly or by attacker?

[wheatbeer]

I am curious too.

If I understood right, in land combats aa causualties are choosen by attacker and in SBR aa fire is directed at individual planes (though tripleA handles SBR aa casualty selection the same as land combat).

[gamerman01]

First, I am answering with the understanding that you are asking about aircraft losses, and not AA gun losses.  AA guns should always be chosen by the defender.

The league rule is that you follow the rule book.

The rule book says that the attacker always gets to choose aircraft casualties.  This includes SBR.  Wheatbeer seems to be a bit confused, so I will attempt to help with that.

If you SBR a base with tacs and strat bombers, and you take AA hit(s), you may choose your casualties (probably tacs).

However, when you SBR multiple facilities at once, you are first dividing your aircraft into groups.  The reason the attacker sometimes has to take off strategic bombers and not tactical bombers is because the tactical bombers are attacking a different facility than the strategic bombers.

Example:

Strat bomb UK with 2 tactical and 4 strategic bombers.
Air battle is complete, no losses for Axis.
Axis player allocates 1 tactical and 1 strategic bomber to the air base
Axis player allocates 1 tactical bomber to the naval base
Axis player allocates 3 strategic bombers to the IC

You are to roll AA separately for each of the facilities.
2 AA shots for the air base
1 AA shot for the naval base
3 AA shots for the IC

If the air base AA hits, the Axis player chooses a casualty - could be tac or strat
If the naval base hits, the tactical bomber attacking the naval base is shot down
If the IC hits, the Axis player must lose strat bomber(s)

Triple A fouls this all up completely.  See my list of rules that Triple A does not properly follow here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cS3hFwoBP0rWr3208jw1LAtCvHYa9Ji9uU8PwbCMIwM/edit
Item #4 is SBR
Note also that Triple A (Item 4b) prompts you to choose facility targets before the air battle, and this is also incorrect.

[wheatbeer]

@Gamerman01:

If you SBR a base with tacs and strat bombers, and you take AA hit(s), you may choose your casualties (probably tacs).

That part I did not know … though I’ve never actually attacked a single base with a tact/strat mix.

@Gamerman01:

However, when you SBR multiple facilities at once, you are first dividing your aircraft into groups.  The reason the attacker sometimes has to take off strategic bombers and not tactical bombers is because the tactical bombers are attacking a different facility than the strategic bombers.

This I did know … but I would propose developing a standardized way to handle it.

For example, requiring such SBR’s to be rolled 100% with in-forum dice before the rest of the turn.
Or alternatively, rolling the facility aa fire inside tripleA and then (if necessary) allocating the hits on the basis of an in-forum die roll.

[gamerman01]

Right.
Consider this an announcement:

ALL LEAGUE PLAYERS SHOULD FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH MY TRIPLE A PROBLEMS DOCUMENT
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cS3hFwoBP0rWr3208jw1LAtCvHYa9Ji9uU8PwbCMIwM/edit

Items #1-18 are all issues that league players should be familiar with, because they are all areas where Triple A does NOT necessarily follow the rulebook properly!
The document is color coded so you can see where you need to be rolling dice on the forum!  These items are in RED

There are even more discrepancies from the rule book, but I actually did not list every last one, because I want Veqryn to fix these problems.  I don’t want to get too nit-picky or list too many things, so some very rare or minor glitches, I omitted.
What I’m saying is what Jenn has said since the beginning of the year:
League players are expected to read and know their rule books.  If you suffer disadvantage in a game because you did not know the rules, that is your own responsibility.  When in doubt, you can always ask.

[Guest]

Regarding 1a. In which situation does it matter that triple A doesn’t follow the rulebook?
Regarding 1b. A link to the worksheet would be welcome. Perhaps open a thread in which you post all the links, including the one that has the rankings and tiers. However again I am wondering when it does matter and the edit function should be used.

Regarding submarines. I can understand that there situations in which you have to roll on the forum. Mainly because of the size of the battles. However do you want to enforce the rule that we always roll these battles on the forum? Even when the OOL is clear and it doesn’t matter for the outcome of the battle and both players don’t mind using TripleA?

[bmnielsen]

One additional thing that I don’t think is in Gamer’s doc… TripleA allows you to let planes die instead of landing them, even when they could have landed safely. I think this is against the rules - at least, that’s the way I interpret the third bullet on non-combat air moves. This sometimes comes up since it can be beneficial to let a plane die instead of moving a carrier out of position to pick it up.

[gamerman01]

@bmnielsen:

One additional thing that I don’t think is in Gamer’s doc… TripleA allows you to let planes die instead of landing them, even when they could have landed safely. I think this is against the rules - at least, that’s the way I interpret the third bullet on non-combat air moves. This sometimes comes up since it can be beneficial to let a plane die instead of moving a carrier out of position to pick it up.

Good one.  I will add it.

[gamerman01]

nielsen - it’s item 16a now

Soulb, regarding 1a - first, it’s sometimes annoying to have to make DOW decisions before completing your purchases.
More significantly, if you are playing with tech.  Maybe as Japan your DOW decision would be much different if you just nailed long range aircraft or jets!

regarding 1b, there is almost nothing to my worksheet.  I have a cell where I put in the amount of IPC’s I have, and a cell that adds up the IPC’s of the items I am planning to purchase.  Normally when I have damage on my facilities, I enter them as a purchase item.  If I have >10 damage on a major and I want to repair it, I put in the # of IPC’s it will take to get the damage down to 10.  Then I enter the cost of each item I want to buy as 1 more than normal, for the damage.
So there’s really nothing to show you.

I just recently moved item 1b up to item 1b - it was in my “other significant complaints section”.  It’s a pet peeve for me.  I would like to be able to keep changing the amount of damage repair I am tentatively doing, at the same time that I am buying stuff.  Triple A makes you lock in your amount of damage repair before buying anything, and I don’t like that.  The rule book doesn’t make you repair all facilities, and then purchase things.  It’s simultaneous.

[gamerman01]

Regarding establishing a thread with links to my various documents - that is a great idea, but I do not have the capability (nor does Jenn) to sticky a thread.  If I make a regular thread it will just get buried quickly anyway.  Thanks for the good idea, though

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

Regarding establishing a thread with links to my various documents - that is a great idea, but I do not have the capability (nor does Jenn) to sticky a thread.  If I make a regular thread it will just get buried quickly anyway.  Thanks for the good idea, though

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