2013 - AAG 40 League

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Boldfresh:

@bmnielsen:

That sums it up pretty well, I think. I would add the point about the extra playoff brackets as well - they aren’t really an “official” part of the league and participation is voluntary, so at least for them I think it makes sense to let them count for something.

i, for one, will not be playing in the playoffs if these games do not count toward the 2014 league.

You have convinced me - don’t count them!

In all seriousness, it doesn’t really make sense that one year’s games count towards the next (despite the arguments that have been made so far). If playing 4 games over 10 months next year is too difficult, I don’t see why you would want to be considered for the playoffs anyway, but that’s just me. Also, saying that counting these games ensures high-level players compete is a bit redundant as most already play each other, and this can be changed for next year’s league if ppg is how play-offs are decided. I personally don’t care as I probably won’t be playing in the playoffs regardless.

I would suggest that there are 2 simple solutions to this issue - 1. Gamerman/Jenn make an executive decision or 2. have the league members vote on their preference.

to clarify hank, i’m talking about the secondary “playoffs” that gamerman has suggested.  not the primary 8 man playoff for the league championship.  i would play in that if i qualified for it, even if the games didn’t count toward the following year’s league record.

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

to clarify hank, i’m talking about the secondary “playoffs” that gamerman has suggested.  not the primary 8 man playoff for the league championship.  i would play in that if i qualified for it, even if the games didn’t count toward the following year’s league record.

That makes more sense. I still don’t see an issue for these players to get the required number of games for next year’s playoffs. The argument that there needs to be some reason for them to play doesn’t really hold water - we are playing a board game - the only reward for winning is bragging and trash talk! (Just ask Cow :))

Being ranked 4th under Gamerman’s standings but 12th under win %, I very much agree that players racking up perfect records playing exclusively weaker players needs to be addressed, but I think people smarter than I are already on it.

[gamerman01]

@Hank13:

Being ranked 4th under Gamerman’s standings but 12th under win %

This makes my day.

This is why I started the strength of schedule calculation in the first place - to help players see past the W/L record and get a more accurate picture of the true level of success of his fellow players.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

@Hank13:

Being ranked 4th under Gamerman’s standings but 12th under win %

This makes my day.

This is why I started the strength of schedule calculation in the first place - to help players see past the W/L record and get a more accurate picture of the true level of success of his fellow players.

Bingo.

[gamerman01]

I will also take this opportunity to point out that players can hover over the Axis/Allies records for each player clear off to the right, and see which players they won/lost against with Axis/Allies.  This can help you get a clearer picture of the capabilities of the player in question.  :-)

[Hank13]

@Gamerman01:

@Hank13:

Being ranked 4th under Gamerman’s standings but 12th under win %

This makes my day.

I’m not sure if I should be offended by this or not…

I’m assuming you mean you are happy that your system is superior, rather than being happy at the fact that I suck when playing good players (or too often, against regular players)

[gamerman01]

:?
I’m happy that my system makes a difference and helps accurately rate players.
Offended??  You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

This has nothing to do with you sucking when playing good players or regular players.  Rather, the fact that you’re 4th in ranking but 12th in win% means you play better opponents than many of the players above you in win %

It wasn’t about you personally at all.

[Hank13]

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.  :-P

[boldfresh]

who wants to start a 2014 league game?

[Hank13]

@Boldfresh:

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.   :-P

The 2 Russian pilots that I shot down say I only suck against Dutch thank you very much.

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

@Boldfresh:

@Hank13:

@Gamerman01:

You should take it as a compliment that I believe your 4 ranking is more indicative than 12th under win%

Thanks :)

(That was how I took it, it just could have been interpreted the other way).

Hank u only suck when u play bolddutch.   :-P

The 2 Russian pilots that I shot down say I only suck against Dutch thank you very much.

those two russian pilots you so badly wanted to kill are what lost this game for you.  thank YOU very much.  :wink:

[seth4god]

My brother, who I haven’t seen in 3 years, is in town for a couple of days. Expect slower posting if you’re an opponent of mine.

[Jennifer]

SIX (6) WEEKS LEFT OF REGULAR LEAGUE PLAY

7a - The Regular Season for each league will start on 2 Nov. 2012 and end on 1 Nov. 2012 and the standings will then be posted.  Games must be completed prior to this date in order to be counted for the 2012 season.

~ Page 1, Post 1 of this thread

Just a friendly reminder.

[Hank13]

For those of us who are new to league play, what happens to games that are not finished by this deadline?

[boldfresh]

@Hank13:

For those of us who are new to league play, what happens to games that are not finished by this deadline?

They roll into the next yr which is why I was talking about 2014 league games.

[Jennifer]

If your game is not finished by the deadline the two contestants in the game have the choice to either roll it over until next year, or keep it for this year.  If you want to keep it for next year’s league, you have to remember that it will count against the maximum number of games against that opponent, if you keep it for this year obviously it won’t count towards the championship.

[MagicQ]

What is the League rule for aa gun casualties? Should they be chosen randomly or by attacker?

[wheatbeer]

I am curious too.

If I understood right, in land combats aa causualties are choosen by attacker and in SBR aa fire is directed at individual planes (though tripleA handles SBR aa casualty selection the same as land combat).

[gamerman01]

First, I am answering with the understanding that you are asking about aircraft losses, and not AA gun losses.  AA guns should always be chosen by the defender.

The league rule is that you follow the rule book.

The rule book says that the attacker always gets to choose aircraft casualties.  This includes SBR.  Wheatbeer seems to be a bit confused, so I will attempt to help with that.

If you SBR a base with tacs and strat bombers, and you take AA hit(s), you may choose your casualties (probably tacs).

However, when you SBR multiple facilities at once, you are first dividing your aircraft into groups.  The reason the attacker sometimes has to take off strategic bombers and not tactical bombers is because the tactical bombers are attacking a different facility than the strategic bombers.

Example:

Strat bomb UK with 2 tactical and 4 strategic bombers.
Air battle is complete, no losses for Axis.
Axis player allocates 1 tactical and 1 strategic bomber to the air base
Axis player allocates 1 tactical bomber to the naval base
Axis player allocates 3 strategic bombers to the IC

You are to roll AA separately for each of the facilities.
2 AA shots for the air base
1 AA shot for the naval base
3 AA shots for the IC

If the air base AA hits, the Axis player chooses a casualty - could be tac or strat
If the naval base hits, the tactical bomber attacking the naval base is shot down
If the IC hits, the Axis player must lose strat bomber(s)

Triple A fouls this all up completely.  See my list of rules that Triple A does not properly follow here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cS3hFwoBP0rWr3208jw1LAtCvHYa9Ji9uU8PwbCMIwM/edit
Item #4 is SBR
Note also that Triple A (Item 4b) prompts you to choose facility targets before the air battle, and this is also incorrect.