2013 - AAG 40 League

[Jennifer]

@UnknownSoldier:

@Karl7:

God will not permit this!  He will not allow me not to fulfill my destiny!

General George S. Patton…but I forgot where I heard it

The movie, I believe.

[Amon-Sul]

For all the  guys i am playing with or those who are interested in playing me , I am in Dubrovnik on summer vacation for 7-10 days. I wanted to write this message earlier but the  page was not working. Cheers :)

[Karl7]

@Cmdr:

@UnknownSoldier:

@Karl7:

God will not permit this!�  He will not allow me not to fulfill my destiny!

General George S. Patton…but I forgot where I heard it

The movie, I believe.

correct!  :mrgreen:

[arathorn]

@Gamerman01:

FYI if the playoffs started now or very soon, these are (APPROXIMATELY) who would probably be in them:

RGP44, 7-0, 1.000, #2
Alexgreat, 9-0, 1.000, #7
Allweneedislove, 19-2, .905, #1
Zhukov, 8-1, .889, #4
Gamerman01, 21-3, .875, #3
Arathorn, 6-2, .750, #13
Hobo, 11-4, .733, #9
Ziggurat, 16-6, .727, #6

Nobody can argue this is a good group for the playoffs.
However, by rankings, these players would be excluded:
#5 Hank13 (10-4, .714)
#8 Cow (10-4, .714)

Note that these players could easily qualify by the end of the year by win% (current rules) but yes if they really wanted to be in the playoffs then they will pick weaker opponents.

Hank and Cow are ranked #5 and #8 using my system but are not in the top 8 by win % because they play tougher competition.
Half of Cow’s games were played vs. tier 1.  Only 3 were below tier 2.
Half of Hank’s games were played vs. tier 1, with very few against below tier 2.

So there’s the difference between straight win % and a strength of schedule calculation such as my own.
I think having 3 tournament/playoff at the end of the year that excludes no one but the tier 4’s (I’ll call them apprentices) would alleviate the concerns about the playoff qualification/determination, and include everyone who wants, in the fun.
Winner of the tier 1 playoff is crowned winner of the league for the year.

What do you think, Jenn?

Just wanted to remind Jenn to include the games (I think 4 total) that are legitimate League wins, but that were not counted in Gamerman’s rankings.

[variance]

Just wondering when the 2014 season starts - is it Jan 1, or Oct sometime?

[gamerman01]

@Cmdr:

7a - The Regular Season for each league will start on 2 Nov. 2012 and end on 1 Nov. 2012 and the standings will then be posted.  Games must be completed prior to this date in order to be counted for the 2012 season.

7b - Any games in progress that are completed after this date will be eligible to count for the next league (2013) assuming league rules remain the same or are similar.

7c - 2013 Playoffs begin Nov 2nd

November 2
Although I think it would be a good idea to make next year a 14 month year so that it ends 12/31/14, and then ever after it can go with the calendar year, for simplicity.
We will have at least 3 playoffs of 8 people each starting in November, so there won’t be as many regular season games being played in November/December anyway.
What do you think about phasing out the fiscal year, Jenn?  Fix it by having a 14 month year once?  I don’t know how many times people have had to ask when the league year starts and ends.  A lot of confusion could be averted with a 1/1 - 12/31 year

[Seador]

@Gamerman01:

Although I think it would be a good idea to make next year a 14 month year so that it ends 12/31/14, and then ever after it can go with the calendar year, for simplicity.
We will have at least 3 playoffs of 8 people each starting in November, so there won’t be as many regular season games being played in November/December anyway.
What do you think about phasing out the fiscal year, Jenn?  Fix it by having a 14 month year once?  I don’t know how many times people have had to ask when the league year starts and ends.  A lot of confusion could be averted with a 1/1 - 12/31 year

Wouldn’t that make the playoffs start in 2015 for the 2014 season?

I like to see the playoffs attempt to end in the same year as the season.  Personally, I’d run the regular season to end in Sept, to give an extra month for the playoff brackets.

[bmnielsen]

@Gamerman01:

We will have at least 3 playoffs of 8 people each starting in November, so there won’t be as many regular season games being played in November/December anyway.

What about allowing the playoff games to also count for next year’s league, if both players agree?

[boldfresh]

@bmnielsen:

@Gamerman01:

We will have at least 3 playoffs of 8 people each starting in November, so there won’t be as many regular season games being played in November/December anyway.

What about allowing the playoff games to also count for next year’s league, if both players agree?

now there’s a fantastic idea!!!  i love it.

[boldfresh]

@bmnielsen:

@Gamerman01:

We will have at least 3 playoffs of 8 people each starting in November, so there won’t be as many regular season games being played in November/December anyway.

What about allowing the playoff games to also count for next year’s league, if both players agree?

in fact, i think it should not be a both players agree thing, i think it should be mandatory.  give me one reason why it shouldn’t be!

[gamerman01]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydF93TUcwNFB2Y1JvYm9weThsdzV0cEE#gid=0

Sign up for the playoffs here, even if it currently looks like you will be in the top 8.  In case you don’t end up in the top 8, you will be signed up then.

Only 1 requirement - 4 completed league games by 11/1/13.

We currently have enough for 2 additional playoffs, for a total of 3.  If we have enough signups there will be a 4th bracket.

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I don’t have a reason against playoff games also counting for 2014 league other than it feels weird because it is never done in any sport at any level that I am aware of.  However, it does seem to make sense for our purposes.  After all, the rankings take into account strength of schedule….  so as long as next year’s playoff qualification is not determined by win % but by PPG…

[gamerman01]

Regarding signup for 2013 playoffs -
You are signing up for 1-3 games.  No bracket will take more than 3 games to win.

[lexgreat]

I don’t have a reason against playoff games also counting for 2014 league other than it feels weird because it is never done in any sport at any level that I am aware of.

There really is no connection that I can see. What is “our” purpose, then? The only thing that makes sense to take across to 2014 is “ranking / seeding”.
As a non-native speaker, I might not understand “strenght of schedule” correctly.

And why mandatory, Bold? Give me one reason why it should carry over, other than that you just want it to.

As for the calendar year, I am all for it.

[boldfresh]

@alexgreat:

I don’t have a reason against playoff games also counting for 2014 league other than it feels weird because it is never done in any sport at any level that I am aware of.

There really is no connection that I can see. What is “our” purpose, then? The only thing that makes sense to take across to 2014 is “ranking / seeding”.
As a non-native speaker, I might not understand “strenght of schedule” correctly.

And why mandatory, Bold? Give me one reason why it should carry over, other than that you just want it to.

As for the calendar year, I am all for it.

gamer, i can never get anything across to alex - can you please try to explain?  sheesh, this guy is scared of his own shadow!  :-P

[seth4god]

I’m actually with Alex on this one. What major sport carries over tournaments and/or playoffs to the next year? I don’t see the point in including the tourney results for next year.

[gamerman01]

Well I’m guessing they’re thinking that if these games are being played (and they are between league players) they might as well count for the next year.  Also, the playoff games are actually being played DURING the next season, unlike sports.
The Super Bowl is not played in September, when the teams could be playing their regular schedule.  In A&A league, you are playing playoff games at the same time everyone else is playing regular season.

Alex, Bold asked his question first and you gave no answer.  Give a reason why they shouldn’t count.  Then maybe Bold can answer why he wants them to count.

[boldfresh]

@seththenewb:

I’m actually with Alex on this one. What major sport carries over tournaments and/or playoffs to the next year? I don’t see the point in including the tourney results for next year.

sighhhhhhh……  no one else does it!  what a great argument.  how about considering the merits of such a proposal?

but before we do that, let’s go with your argument a bit.  which major sport (not sure why we are qualifying it as major sports when we are playing a board game but whatever) has it’s playoffs going on at the same time as its regular season?

Merits:  it allows for some of the top talent to get games in that will count toward the league minimums.  a lot of the better players don’t play all that many games in a year.  if they want to concentrate on their playoff games and maybe a tournament they are playing in, and that takes out a third or a half of their time to play league games, they may not even be able to qualify for minimum number of games.  Second thing is it generates some games between top players.  So, if you plan to get in the playoffs by preying on lower tiered players (alex???) then this may come as a blow.   :wink:

just some of my thoughts - how about we don’t use the “hey no one else does it” defense and come up with something better?   :-o

[boldfresh]

another thought:  you ever hear them say how an early regular season game “feels like a playoff game”?  i heard them say this about the season opener between the ravens and the broncos last sunday… well, it would sure spice up the playoffs if they also counted toward the start of the next season  :wink:

the point gamer was making regarding strength of schedule is this:  if you get beaten by a tier 1 player, it counts for more points to your playoff aspirations than if you lost to a lower tiered player.  i have heard talk of requiring a certain number of games against tier 1 players to qualify as league champion, so you need some of these games ANYWAY.  why not kill two birds with one stone?

[gamerman01]

So much for waiting for Alex’s answer first

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

So much for waiting for Alex’s answer first

we will be waiting a long time for that answer.