• @yourbuttocks:

    What if Hitler had let his generals run the war?

    They wanted develop jet fighters and V-2s sooner than Hitler let them.

    They wanted to attack Russia earlier in the year (instead of punishing Yugoslavia), and they wanted to prepare for a longer war in Russia. They also wanted to Drive for Moscow instead of getting stuck in the Crimea.

    You probably have more to add.

    Your thoughts?

    For the generals: he did in the beginning, and then took over. Also, he did not do such a bad job in the beginning, but once the allies copied the german strategies and tactics (for tank operations e.g.), he didn’t know or have the flexibility anymore to react probably, and instead gave these “hold at all costs”-commands.

    The V2 was as fast available as possible AFAIR, the Me262 could have been in service about a year earlier, and that could have made a difference, saving some cities from severe bombings.

    For going to moscow: i doubt that moscow had any more value than the railroad centre south of it.
    Didn’t the russians prepare a counteroffensive in the south which ahd to be crushed? Anyway, the south of russia (close to the black sea) was one of the major industrial centres (Stalingrad for example was an important industrial and infrastructural city), with huge coal reserves (the iron needed to produce steel sits in the Ural). Plus: you threaten the russian oil reserves. … No wonder why this is the only russian area in AAE with a value of 4 :).


  • Hitler would of been killed by his Generals :)


  • he V2 was as fast available as possible AFAIR, the Me262 could have been in service about a year earlier, and that could have made a difference, saving some cities from severe bombings.

    I doubt it. Besides, the Germans were never short on planes but pilots. More often not, the Allies would swarm Me-262s while they were landing or taking off. :-?


  • do you think that if the germans had kept advanceing the US would nuke them?


  • @GeZe:

    do you think that if the germans had kept advanceing the US would nuke them?

    if you are talking about a scenario where Germany did NOT declare war on America, then
    no.
    too many German sympathizers at that time including the 5th column.

    If after then also no. but these are bizaarly hypothetical situations.


  • no if they had declared war on the US


  • @TG:

    he V2 was as fast available as possible AFAIR, the Me262 could have been in service about a year earlier, and that could have made a difference, saving some cities from severe bombings.

    I doubt it. Besides, the Germans were never short on planes but pilots. More often not, the Allies would swarm Me-262s while they were landing or taking off. :-?

    Well, that can be discussed, as the FW190 was used for cover.
    for a good history of the Me262, see
    http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/index.html

    If you read that, you can only be glad that the Me262 entered the war so (too) late, more or less on direct order of Hitler to build it as a fighter bomber (which means all the statics of the plane had to be re-calculated etc).
    Half a year earlier, and it would have been launchd with the start of teh battle for absolute air control over germany… and it might have changed a lot there.


  • @GeZe:

    do you think that if the germans had kept advanceing the US would nuke them?

    I don’t think they would have nuked them.
    i think that the German’s were well contained by the time Nukes were used. Also weren’t the Americans short of nukes at the time?
    this is a tough situation to figure out - did the Germans still have a luftwaffe in your scenario? Did they still hold Normandy?

    It seems to me that the American nation looked at Germans differently than the Japanese at the time - the Japanese were still largely foreign to them - they looked different, and Pearl Harbour was brutal.
    The Germans had many sympathizers including the Kennedys, you couldn’t tell the difference between Germans and Americans by looking at them, they had forged other ties as well. Hard to say.


  • http://www.stormbirds.com/warbirds/index.html

    Wow… what a crappy website :) Talk about all show and no content… :-?


  • It seems to me that the American nation looked at Germans differently than the Japanese at the time - the Japanese were still largely foreign to them - they looked different, and Pearl Harbour was brutal.
    The Germans had many sympathizers including the Kennedys, you couldn’t tell the difference between Germans and Americans by looking at them, they had forged other ties as well. Hard to say.

    Exactly the reason why we treated our German PoWs better than our own Japaneese citizens.


  • ya sad, Canada also had those camps


  • A sad chapter in US WWII history, born out of fear. Some Japanese-Americans fought the Germans in Europe, while their families lost everything and got detained in camps…

    Considering what the Allies found in the death and concentration camps, Pearl was not as “brutal”…

    The bomb was planned for Germany, but the war ended before it could be used…

    After the fall of Poland, Hitler’s self-professed genius in military strategy kept proving his general’s wrong. They would not question him again, his power and prestige was too great (and the fear of the Gestapo!)…


  • Some Japanese-Americans fought the Germans in Europe, while their families lost everything and got detained in camps…

    442nd… 8)

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