Result posted. When you get back I will probably be interested in a rematch. Was a fun game but I think I made some mistakes due to being out of practice. Guess I’ve already said that.
2013 - AAG 40 League
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jenn, your move in our game i think.
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Anzacs are also a nation that could stop Italian can openers.
Also, I think a better rule than limiting placements in capitals would be to limit how many units can be placed in each terr. A limit of 1 per terr would ‘solve’ this issue about stacking France. It also negates the KJF stack Yunnan bid which imho runs contrary to the game’s intentions (ie allies have to juggle priorities in both or risk losing the game on one side)
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It is outrageous that you would throw these bid rules out there late in the year. If these were the rules, then why weren’t they clearly stated at the beginning?
Negotiating number of victory cities? Bad idea
Can only keep 2 IPC’s in treasury? Why would you want to keep more? It’s always better to get stuff on the board immediately.You are running this league like Gargantua runs his tournaments, and that is not cool. Seriously, who put you in charge? Because I need to talk to them.
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However, there have been some clarifications/interpretations since then.
It is allowed to put a unit on a territory (but not sea zone) that you own but do not have any units there (New Guinea, for ANZ).
Some players, on MUTUAL agreement, are agreeing to limit placement to 1 unit per TT/SZ, but this is not required by the official league rules - that is, you can deny it.This is how long it took to answer Miami’s question. I don’t know why you had to go and ramble, and then set up a bunch of new, arbitrary bidding rules. :roll: :-(
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The moderator of the league should not be making up her own house rules unilaterally, and then foisting them on all of us.
League play should be according to official rules, except for the necessary bidding rules which help determine sides without argument.
There should be more than one moderator for a league that will have 500 games played in a year, to prevent the kind of arbitrary dictatorial rules and ideas that we have seen.
A moderator should have an active presence in the league, and be someone who can respond to issues and questions within 24 hours at the most, and often within 1-2 hours.
But Jenn is presuming that she will be the sole moderator for the foreseeable future, including next year, and as far as I know has never asked for help from anyone. Indeed, she ignores my efforts, assistance, maintenance of the standings, etc etc, answering questions that I’ve already satisfactorily answered, in her own way, as if I’m not even here.
The league rules themselves were largely copy/pasted from Darth Maximus’ AA50 league rules the year before. Very little effort or time has been sacrificed, yet she clearly likes the power and dictatorship. Most of the year, the league has gone on like a ship adrift at sea. Without anyone posting standings, helping with disputes, or answering game or league rule questions fo rmonths at a time, I wonder what would have happened.Who knows what I’m talking about?
We have got to have a different moderator or multiple moderators for next year’s league.A couple more points to consider:
Jenn has played precious little Alpha3 or 2nd edition G40, yet she decides that we’re going to add a house rule next year that the Allies can all attack together in Europe. Was this decided after several players talked about it and asked for it? No, it just came out of the blue. And now she’s making up rules in August about bidding that wasn’t set out in the league rules at the beginning of the year. I trust if there was another moderator or two, they would have stopped this. But there’s not.Apparently whoever is running this site (Dave?) is AWOL, just like Jenn was AWOL for about 3 months early in the league year. We can bump along with Jenn calling the shots <shudder>for the rest of the league year, but I’m saying she’d better not be in charge for a second year.</shudder>
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Jenn, please don’t consider this as a “mutiny”. I appreciate the efforts you have put forth as moderator of the G40 league.
That being said, no one person could ever be expected to moderate such an active league on their own. I have long been advocating for another moderator and have several times put forth Gamerman as the logical choice. I know of no one else who has contributed even a fraction as much as he has to the league.
I wrote Dave Jensen suggesting that Gamer be instated as a moderator and he replied “sounds great”. since then i have not heard another peep from him. in that spirit, i move that gamer is immediately installed as the primary moderator for G40 league and that Jenn be his co-moderator. Gamer takes the league and when he is unavailable, Jenn fills the gaps. I know of no one who combines these two factors at such a high level: 1. passionate about A&A (he’s on multiple times a day for crying out loud) and 2. sky-high sense of fairness. He’s contributed immensely to the league with an extremely useful rankings system…… i could go on and on.
So, calling all participants in the league to speak now or forever hold your peace about gamer’s instatement to moderator status. Would like to get him a moderator badge (seems chances are low of ever getting “someone” at the site to help with this) asap but even without it, he should be the primary moderator active immediately.
FYI I say everything for the good of the league. We were all learning the game this year - I predict that NEXT YEAR is going to be an incredible year for the league and we owe it to ourselves to have a first class effort in place to direct the league from start to finish (ie, develop an appropriate updated playoff schedule, etc).
Who’s with me?
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I’m all in favour of Gamerman being named main moderator with Jenn as his assistant
Jenn doesn’t have the time or capacity to maintain this on her own, and has not been consistent in communicating a clear message or guideline.
I vote for Gamerman
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30762.0
Actually, several others have already given their opinions as well, in the above thread from April.
Karl, Seth, tcnance, variance, WheatbeerNo need for those gentlemen to repeat themselves again.
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It is outrageous that you would throw these bid rules out there late in the year.Â
Negotiating number of victory cities? Bad idea
Can only keep 2 IPC’s in treasury? Why would you want to keep more? It’s always better to get stuff on the board immediately.I did not say negotiating number of victory cities was a good idea, I just said it did not violate the rules of bidding.
As for 2 IPCs max in treasury, that rule has been codified since day 1. It’s listed on page 1.
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http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=30762.0
Actually, several others have already given their opinions as well, in the above thread from April.
Karl, Seth, tcnance, variance, WheatbeerNo need for those gentlemen to repeat themselves again.
posting there
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Excuse me for being a little frustrated -
You just kind of freaked me out about the haggling for victory conditions idea, and yes that does seem both arbitrary and unilateral. Also, it came out of the blue (was very unexpected).I am also just concerned about adding major house rules to the game, because only by playing by the uniform rule book can you count on what the rules will be, and your game is transferable to other venues, face to face, etc.
The fact that you consider me an unofficial league moderator assistant is news to me, and will help quell the angst, I think. I would just advise you not to change the rules of the actual game and there will be no revolts.
Oh, and yes you were gone for 4 months with no explanation and the league went on, but what you don’t recognize is that was in no small part due to my efforts.
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Vote! Yes we can! Who do you want as a moderator?
No voter registration needed!
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quote author=Gamerman01
Excuse me for being a little frustrated -
You just kind of freaked me out about the haggling for victory conditions idea, and yes that does seem both arbitrary and unilateral. Also, it came out of the blue (was very unexpected).**Sorry about that. It started a joke like response of ridiculousness, probably in poor taste. **
I am also just concerned about adding major house rules to the game, because only by playing by the uniform rule book can you count on what the rules will be, and your game is transferable to other venues, face to face, etc.
I whole heartedly agree! Outside of bidding, which is a house rule that Larry said he won’t touch and Krieghund as refused to ever comment on other than we can do whatever we want with bidding, I would prefer to keep ALL rules per the books! However, the way I see it, I am just one voice of the league, I am not the Dowager Princess. If the community comes and says “we want to use German pieces for America and American pieces for Japan instead of how they are now” I have to go to the rulebook to see if it’s explicitly forbidden, if not, I want to go to the community, ask the question, and let the players vote. (I selected that example because I could give a flying leap, TripleA locks you in on color I think anyway and if you play in person, no one is going to KNOW what color each country is using, right?)
The fact that you consider me an unofficial league moderator assistant is news to me, and will help quell the angst, I think. I would just advise you not to change the rules of the actual game and there will be no revolts.
Pretty sure I told you that last year. Perhaps I did not and for that I do apologize. I do ask, of course, that we TALK about major issues.Oh, and yes you were gone for 4 months with no explanation and the league went on, but what you don’t recognize is that was in no small part due to my efforts.
**I honestly never bothered to go back and check what you did or did not do in my absence. When I came back and things were running smoothly, I assumed you kept things on track as backup moderator and decided not to meddle. (Yea not only do I play Axis and Allies but I am also the only girl you will ever meet who won’t meddle. :P deal with it. - sarcasm font!)And no, I am not going to get into why I was in the hospital. They say they corrected the issue and they also said if they did not correct it, I would never know about it, so I figure the matter is dropped.**
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OK, Jenn, that’s pretty clear, thanks
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I didn’t realize the bold would be that BOLD Hope it’s just my resolution on my screen. Trying to type and eat, just got off work an hourish ago. (had to give up my teaching job so now I’m a clip on tie wearing GEEK which is way too much fun, I mean seriously, I used to laugh at people who said if you do what you love you never go to work, but really it’s true! Boss has come back three times and said “Jenn, you have to leave now! Your shift ended an hour ago!”)
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As it was never officially offered and accepted, let’s fix that NOW.
Gamerman01, I invite you to be the official Assistant League Moderator for the AAG40 2.0 League. If you choose to accept the position I only ask that before any MAJOR decisions are made, you discuss them with me first. (Minor decisions are upholding the current rules, major changes are those that change league rules for this and/or next year.)
If djensen ever decides to say I overstepped my bounds I will take the heat for it fully. Officially and in actuality only he can bestow moderator powers and authority, but I don’t think he will mind this alteration.
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Thank you for the invitation, and I accept the position.
I enjoy helping people enjoy A&A, and am willing to accept the responsibility of making binding decisions and helping to plan next year’s league, etc etc
I value comaradarie and game-enjoyment, so will always endeavor to maximize the game-playing experience of all league players. I promise to make decisions without respect (bias) for any players, as I have tried in the past with my league rankings project. I look forward to serving everyone in this increased capacity. Thanks again for the invitation and the flexibility that you have shown.
:-) :oops:
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Hi everyone,
I am new to the League System here. In the first post, all the information is a bit outdated. You only state rules for Alpha3, instead of 2nd Edition. Can you clarify that? I assume that you play the 2nd edition, which, among other things, would mean we bid for allies instead of axis, right?
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Good point, it does say Alpha3.
Don’t worry, it is 100% 2nd edition. The only difference of 2nd edition from Alpha3 was- 1 less infantry in Egypt
- Korea added to Mongolia rules
- Yukon territory deleted (or was this between Alpha2 and Alpha3?)
You are bidding for Allies, yes. If the bid goes negative, then the one taking the bid can add units as Axis. (-6 bid means I’ll take the Allies and you can add 6 to your Axis)
Way over 95% of bids have been non-negative.If you have any questions, please just feel free to ask here or PM me or Cmdr Jenn, the league moderators.
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The league standings/rankings are located here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhOB4pSke42ydEhlX0RfbGxmM3RMSHJQd083TV9JUGc#gid=0This should help you immensely in sizing up the potential competition. These rankings are updated multiple times per day. You will be added to the list as soon as you’ve completed 1 league game.
Game rules questions can be asked on the G40 FAQ thread, which is stickied.
If you have any more league rules questions, again, feel free to ask them here for the benefit of all.
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