2013 - AAG 40 League

[gamerman01]

@JWW:

Examples for clarification -
A - Russia can only bit naval units to sz 4.

This could confuse people.  Russia also has naval units in 115, so could bid units there too.

[gamerman01]

Looks good, JWW.  Also looks familiar.  That’s probably buried in this thread somewhere, right?

So can you or some moderator please append that text you just posted to the original post, in #4?  Then people (including newcomers) can see all the league rules properly on the first post.

[Eqqman]

@JWW:

You can bid for Industrial Complexes.  Placement (of newly purchased units) may take place immediately in the placement phase of Round 1.  The new IC will be limited by the IPC total of the territory on which it is placed and all other standard IC rules apply.

This rule sounds like it needs to be updated to reflect the new changes in how ICs work for 2e.  Otherwise this implies that a minor IC bid in Egypt for example will only ever produce 2 units a turn instead of the 3 you would expect.

[gamerman01]

Good point.  That’s not even a change of 2nd edition, it’s been that way since the original 2010 OOB P40 and E40…

Whatever, who’s ever going to get a bid of 12 and place an IC?

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

Good point.  That’s not even a change of 2nd edition, it’s been that way since the original 2010 OOB P40 and E40…

Whatever, who’s ever going to get a bid of 12 and place an IC?

i would…  :-o

[Jeff28]

I mean, egypt could be attractive as would queensland

[gamerman01]

No way that beats placing 4 infantry, or a boat or plane somewhere that makes a first round attack a lot more difficult.

I knew it wouldn’t take long for ppl to argue with that assertion!  :lol:

[gamerman01]

Like Cow said - wouldn’t you rather have 4 infantry in Yunnan, or on London?  That would take Sealion out of the picture and the UK can have a field day with Italy…

WAY more important than an IC in Egypt or Queensland, dudes.

[Eqqman]

@Gamerman01:

Like Cow said - wouldn’t you rather have 4 infantry in Yunnan, or on London?  That would take Sealion out of the picture and the UK can have a field day with Italy…

If you are allowed to stack units in the same territory for a bid, then it is 6-of-1.  There’s no difference for the UK using bid Infantry in London and buying the IC or starting with a bid IC and buying Infantry.  But at +12 you are probably not going to make the IC, not because it is a poor idea in and of itself, but because you have so many other options.

[gamerman01]

You’re overlooking something.  Production limits.

If you add 4 infantry to London, it’s possible to be +13 infantry at the end of UK1 on London.  You can’t be +13 infantry if you take an IC on Egypt for the bid - you can only be +9 which is no better than if you had no bid at all, for defending Sealion.

[boldfresh]

@Gamerman01:

No way that beats placing 4 infantry, or a boat or plane somewhere that makes a first round attack a lot more difficult.

I knew it wouldn’t take long for ppl to argue with that assertion!  :lol:

:wink:

:lol:

now the real question is, how many infantry at bid time are equivalent to an IC bid?

[Jeff28]

But you could build 3 inf in Egy and fly the gib fighter home.

–Jeff

[gamerman01]

@Jeff28:

But you could build 3 inf in Egy and fly the gib fighter home.

–Jeff

This isn’t the right thread for this discussion.  I know I contributed to the off-topic talk, so I will point out that we should stop discussing shrewd 12 IPC bid placements in this place.  :-)

[Major Major]

not the place, but I would consider a no more than 1 piece in any one location an improvement to the bid structure.

[gamerman01]

Actually, infrastructure, this is the place for that, because you’re suggesting an improvement for next year’s league.

I like that idea a lot, fwiw

[gamerman01]

Why don’t you PM that to the 3 or 4 mods listed on the first post of this thread, just to be sure they see it.  Hopefully they’ll take note of it and see it when setting up rules for next year.  That’s a dang good idea.

[Jeff28]

dunno, then the game is even more unbalanced

[boldfresh]

nah, bid will adjust to compensate.

[gamerman01]

@Boldfresh:

nah, bid will adjust to compensate.

exactly.

This allows bids to be higher, which creates more variety in starting situations.  Bids would be higher to compensate for the restriction.

[gamerman01]

@Cow:

Anyone want to play a league game with me? I will be axis, you take allies @ 15 bid, no stacking yunnan or france with 5 infantry and praying. Dice or LL.

As far as what the tournament rules should be goes: Bids should incorporate 1 unit per territory rule, otherwise bids cannot go very high as the allies can cheese a place like yunnan by adding 4-5 infantry and Russia can fly 2 air units into it (then Japan 1 cannot take yunnan!), many other cheese scenarios can occur. The point of a bid is not to cheese someone, but to make possible new attacks (tobruk, korea, etc) or smooth out defenses for places like london, egypt, etc… not to make “blowouts” or “fortresses”

Cow said the same thing.
15 bid is huge if you can stick 5 infantry to a single territory like Yunnan.  If you can only do 1 unit per territory, bids can be higher and you won’t have to worry about so much cheese